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Judas - a Son of Perdition, or not? [message #2479] |
Tue, 21 May 2013 14:31 |
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JulesGP
Messages: 357 Registered: May 2012 Location: Davis County, UT
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I've seen back and forth discussion on whether or not Judas became a Son of Perdition when he betrayed Christ, and handed him over to be killed. He would have to have accepted his Calling and Election when it was offered to him individually, and confirmed by the Holy Spirit of Promise - as just walking and talking with the mortal Christ would not have qualified him for that (otherwise everyone Christ came into contact with during his lifetime would have automatically become a member of the CoFB). I came across this scripture that seems to confirm, that Judas KNEW that he had become a SOP.
Quote:3 ¶Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.
5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.
What say ye?
~Jules
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Re: Judas - a Son of Perdition, or not? [message #2490 is a reply to message #2486] |
Fri, 24 May 2013 11:28 |
zone
Messages: 17 Registered: March 2013 Location: Middle Earth
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kenh makes a good point... I still am curious why Jesus said this:
"Good [were it] for that man if he had not been born." Matthew 26:24
He never said this to Peter who denied Christ 3 times. Perhaps Peter was told to deny Christ perhaps the Lord just forgave him. Though for the same reason the spirit was lacking
Quote:None were with him: Holland
The most difficult to understand in this group is Judas Iscariot. We know the divine plan required Jesus to be crucified, but it is wrenching to think that one of His special witnesses who sat at His feet, heard Him pray, watched Him heal, and felt His touch could betray Him and all that He was for 30 pieces of silver. Never in the history of this world has so little money purchased so much infamy. We are not the ones to judge Judas's fate, but Jesus said of His betrayer, "Good [were it] for that man if he had not been born." 7
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Re: Judas - a Son of Perdition, or not? [message #2541 is a reply to message #2495] |
Tue, 04 June 2013 20:17 |
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Kaai
Messages: 6 Registered: December 2012 Location: Hawaii
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Sheol27 wrote on Sat, 25 May 2013 11:15I'm not sure whether he is or is not a SOP and it isn't for me to judge but for entertainments sake I would like to comment. Peter had it revealed to him by the father whom Christ was:
"Matthew 16:
15 He saith unto them, But whom say aye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven ."
Did Peter know enough to become a SOP? He never actually denied Jesus was the Christ. If Peter had enough revealed to him could have Judas as well? I'm sorry if I only have added more questions and less answers.....
This, to me, is a sweet and tender exchange between the Savior and Peter. Peter, recognizing the Lord for who He truly was, is acknowledged by the Christ who addresses him by his given name, Simon Bar-jona. Very telling.
"And seek the face of the Lord always, that in patience ye may possess your souls, and ye shall have eternal life."
D&C 101:38
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