| The Final Battle after the Millennium [message #117] |
Tue, 06 July 2010 10:20  |
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After the millennium of peace, the unjust will be resurrected and Satan will again have a wicked people to lead. There will then be a great and last battle between good and evil.
I want to discuss, "What kind of battle this will be?" It occurred to me that everyone in this final battle will be resurrected and so can't die. What kind of war can be fought with armies that can't die?
~ Seeker
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| Re: The Final Battle after the Millennium [message #2582 is a reply to message #2575] |
Thu, 27 June 2013 13:28  |
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I have always heard that growing up. I am starting to think if its a greater symbol of "the grand council in heaven" where many fall. The great war. And many will fall again before the creation turns over (becomes new) to another sphere of existence.
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| Re: The Final Battle after the Millennium [message #2612 is a reply to message #2607] |
Thu, 18 July 2013 00:01 |
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How does that fit in with regard to terrestrial souls?
"And after this another angel shall sound, which is the second trump; and then cometh the redemption of those who are Christ's at his coming; who have received their part in that prison which is prepared for them, that they might receive the gospel, and be judged according to men in the flesh" (D&C 88:99). This sounds like terrestrial souls; "they who are the spirits of men kept in prison, whom the Son visited, and preached the gospel unto them, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh" (D&C 76:73).
"The inhabitants of the terrestrial world will have part in the first resurrection, but not until after the 'morning of that resurrection' when those who are Christ's at his coming are raised" (Joseph Fielding Smith, Church History and Modern Revelation 2:60-1).
By the way, regarding the original post, I found a quote: "When the period called the Millennium has passed away, Satan will again be loosed. Now the query arises, Will Satan have power to deceive those who have lived on the earth, and have fallen asleep for a moment, and have received their immortal bodies? No, he will not. When they have passed through their probation, and have received their immortal bodies, Satan will have no power over them. Thus generation after generation will pass away, during the Millennium, but by and by, at the close of that period, unnumbered millions of the posterity of those who lived during the Millennium will be scattered in the four quarters of the earth, and Satan will be loosed, and will go forth and tempt them, and overcome some of them, so that they will rebel against God; not rebel in ignorance or dwindle in unbelief, as the Lamanites did; but they will sin willfully against the law of heaven, and so great will the power of Satan be over them, that he will gather them together against the Saints and against the beloved city" (Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses 16:322).
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| Re: The Final Battle after the Millennium [message #2632 is a reply to message #117] |
Fri, 02 August 2013 13:06 |
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Seeker wrote on Tue, 06 July 2010 10:20After the millennium of peace, the unjust will be resurrected and Satan will again have a wicked people to lead. There will then be a great and last battle between good and evil.
I want to discuss, "What kind of battle this will be?" It occurred to me that everyone in this final battle will be resurrected and so can't die. What kind of war can be fought with armies that can't die?
A battle of fear, manipulation, lies, control, deceit, selfishness, hate, etc., vs. trust, gentle persuasion, love, freedom, truth, charity, sacrifice, etc. Basically, the same battle we fight today.
~Jules
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| Re: The Final Battle after the Millennium [message #2649 is a reply to message #2643] |
Sat, 10 August 2013 13:27 |
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Dragon wrote on Sat, 13 July 2013 09:49I believe that until after the final battle and the final judgement, the only beings to be resurrected will be Celestial ones. All others will still have an opportunity to become worthy of the Celestial Glory.
Don't Terrestrial beings get resurrected toward the beginning of the Millennium?
Dragon wrote on Thu, 08 August 2013 05:50During the Millennium of Peace only those souls who are already of a Celestial or Terrestrial nature will be born.
Then is the following statement doctrinally correct?
During the Millennium (well before the Final Judgement), there will be people with resurrected Terrestrial bodies on the earth. Having Terrestrial bodies, they already know that they cannot be exalted, no matter what they do.
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| Re: The Final Battle after the Millennium [message #2689 is a reply to message #117] |
Tue, 20 August 2013 12:14 |
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Here is something to add.
"Words of the Prophet", p. 24 ("Scriptural Items"); Scribe: Franklin D. Richards, August 1, 1843; CHO Ms/d/4409/Misc Minutes Collection.
Hiram [Smith] said Aug 1st [18]43 Those of the Terrestrial Glory either advance to the Celestial or recede to the Telestial [or] else the moon could not be a type [viz. a symbol of that kingdom]. [for] it [the moon] "waxes & wanes". Also that br George will be quickened by celestial glory having been ministered to by one of that Kingdom.
This can be applied to the millennium. This answers why the war comes about. Because they become Telestial people fighting against those that are not. A fallen state. Than those worthy will receive a paradisaical state. (Celestialized Earth) Until they are called to do more work  .
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| Re: The Final Battle after the Millennium [message #2691 is a reply to message #117] |
Tue, 20 August 2013 15:48 |
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Another interesting quote I ran into.
Quote:With respect to the Millennium, the Lord has given this information regarding the parents who will live in that society:
"And the earth shall be given unto them for an inheritance; and they shall multiply and wax strong, and their children shall grow up without sin unto salvation." (D&C 45:58.)
Obviously, the parents who will inherit the earth will be those who have learned to raise their children without sin unto salvation. - Oct. 1991 General Conference, "Bring Up Your Children in Light and Truth" by H. VERLAN ANDERSEN
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| Re: The Final Battle after the Millennium [message #2695 is a reply to message #117] |
Thu, 22 August 2013 10:46 |
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Here are a few more questions? Are we not assigned our glory UNTIL the final judgement? If it happens after the millenium than why are we resurrected before hand and pre-judged? Than perhaps what is happening is one is laying down their ressurection in hopes of a better ressurection? Again before the final judgment occurs. When does the final judgment really happen? How does one go from exaltation to exaltation if we receive it from "our endowment" which tells us how to be exalted? How are peoples rewards different? Is that another name for an exaltation? Receiving a greater exaltation? Why did Joseph state in TPJS that (Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 348). "Sons of God who exalt themselves to be Gods, even from before the foundation of the world"?
To tell you my opinion on that I say yes. That is one of the purposes of the millennium. This is not to say there are infinite tries to get it right. But when one has not broken their coventants (like an unpardonable sin) they will be given circumstances to improve until they finally decide to fully become "telestial" or become like God or say I have had enough I am happy were I am at. When one commits or breaks a certain covenant it may prevent them from achieving thee HIGHEST reward but God will allow us to always achieve our divine potential IF we will allow him to and not assent to His death becoming a perdition. But if we have not entered into a covenant yet we cannot really break that covenant therefor not be held accountable for it unless we were called upon to live it and rejected it. Think of the 5 covenants of the temple. Are we really called upon to live them all as 2nd estate beings? No. Only partially. Thus little is given little is required. I mean when I say that how many will be called as martyrs to give ones life versus someone who is allowed to live and continue on with the trials at hand without the sacrifice of ones life? The trials are different but we will all in some way or form be asked to live each one and prove we can or learn how to THAN show we can.
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