Jules,

This quote you gave seems to support my beliefs about the Holy Ghost.

Quote:

The Holy Ghost is now in a state of probation which if he should perform in righteousness he may pass through the same or a similar course of things that the Son has." (Joseph Smith, The Words of Joseph Smith, p. 245; Sabbath address, 27 August 1843)

That is, the Holy Ghost is destand to be a Messiah someday.

Our Jesus Christ now, once served as the Holy Ghost for a previous generation. Having proven himself worthy in that calling the became the Messiah of our generation. And our Holy Ghost will serve as the Messian for the next generation to come after us.

Just my oppinon based on the feelings of the spirit.

We note particularly that Amulek says the spirit and the body will never be separated again. Resurrected beings cannot die again. They cannot be reincarnated. The question sometimes arises, Is Jesus the Savior of other worlds? The answer is yes. Did he suffer and die and become resurrected on those other worlds? The answer has to be no.

I don't want to delve into mysteries, and I realize that this may be a matter of speculation, but I would like to know, is Jesus the Creator and Redeemer of other worlds besides this one?
Robert G. Mouritsen, college curriculum writer, Church Education System
When we seek to better understand the life and ministry of the Son of God, we are not delving into the mysteries, nor is it a matter of speculation. The scriptures inform us that "this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3; italics added.) The Prophet Joseph Smith said of this passage that "if any man does not know ... he will realize that he has not eternal life; for there can be eternal life on no other principle." (Teachings, p. 344.) Searching to know God and Christ, to learn their will, and to submit thereto is the paramount quest of our religion. Of this, President Marion G. Romney has written: "All who have a true concept of Jesus Christ and who have received a witness by the spirit of his divinity ... see in all that he said and did confirmation of his universal Lordship, both as Creator and Redeemer." (Improvement Era, November 1968, p. 48.)

Jesus was the firstborn of the Father from the beginning. In a statement issued in 1916, the First Presidency and the Council of the Twelve said: "Among the spirit children of Elohim the firstborn was and is ... Jesus Christ to whom all others are juniors." (James R. Clark, ed., Messages of the First Presidency, Bookcraft, 1971, 5:33.) He was the birthright son, and he retained that birthright by his strict obedience. Through the aeons and ages of premortality, he advanced and progressed until, as Abraham described, he stood as one "like unto God." (Abr. 3:24.) "Our Savior was a God before he was born into this world," wrote President Joseph Fielding Smith, "and he brought with him that same status when he came here. He was as much a God when he was born into the world as he was before." (Doctrines of Salvation, 1:32.) In that premortal estate, Jesus was, under the Father, the Creator and Redeemer of the Father's worlds. Enoch had learned, "were it possible that man could number the particles of the earth, yea, millions of earths like this, it would not be a beginning to the number of thy creations." (Moses 7:30.) The Lord taught Moses: "Worlds without number have I created; ... and by the Son I created them, which is mine Only Begotten." (Moses 1:33.) Moses was not given an account of all these worlds, but he was told who their Creator was. Joseph Smith was told who their Savior was: "The Lord is God, and beside him there is no Savior. ... By him, and through him, and of him, the worlds are and were created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God." (D&C 76:1, 24.) The Prophet clarified these passages in a poem that he published in 1843:

For the Lord he is God, and his life never ends,
And besides him there ne'er was a Saviour of men. ...
He's the Saviour, and only begotten of God--
By him, of him, and through him, the worlds were all made,
Even all that career in the heavens so broad,
Whose inhabitants, too, from the first to the last,
Are sav'd by the very same Saviour of ours;
And, of course, are begotten God's daughters and sons,
By the very same truths, and the very same pow'rs."
(Times and Seasons 4:8285.)

Elder Bruce R. McConkie has written a clear statement on the universal Lordship of Jesus: "Now our Lord's jurisdiction and power extend far beyond the limits of this one small earth on which we dwell. He is, under the Father, the Creator of worlds without number. (Moses 1:33.) And ... the atonement of Christ, being literally and truly infinite, applies to an infinite number of earths." Again, "Just as the creative and redemptive powers of Christ extend to the earth and all things thereon, as also to the infinite expanse of worlds in immensity, so the power of the resurrection is universal in scope. Man, the earth, and all life thereon will come forth in the resurrection. And the resurrection applies to and is going on in other worlds and other galaxies." (Mormon Doctrine, Bookcraft, 1966, pp. 65, 642.) President Marion G. Romney summarized the whole concept of Jesus' universal ministry in these words: "Jesus Christ, in the sense of being its Creator and Redeemer, is the Lord of the whole universe. Except for his mortal ministry accomplished on this earth, his service and relationship to other worlds and their inhabitants are the same as his service and relationship to this earth and its inhabitants. ... Implicit in the scriptures is the fact that the surest, if not the only, way to understand Jesus the Lord of the universe is to obtain an understanding of his relationship to this world and its inhabitants. ... I bear my own witness that these great testimonies to the fact that Jesus Christ is the Lord of the universe are true, that he is also our Savior, and that the gospel of Jesus Christ is universal--the only plan by which men ever have been or ever can be exalted." (Improvement Era, November 1968, pp. 4649.)

"The Holy Ghost is now in a state of probation which if he should perform in righteousness he may pass through the same or a similar course of things that the Son has." (Joseph Smith, The Words of Joseph Smith, p. 245; Sabbath address, Nauvoo, 27 August 1843.)

Do you have the quote where Joseph Smith learned of Elohim being a Messiah on another world?

Zephyr,
If the God we know is called God1, and He achieved Godhood under God2, who achieved godhood under God3, etc, how did the first one achieve godhood? How did any being attain to the rank of God before an atonement had been made? I cannot accept the answer that the number of Gods does not end. If that is so, then truly time has no meaning, and other possibilities are opened. For surely if mortal experience requires time, then there must have been at some point in history a time when no God existed, for every God was once as Man is now. Can you see the difficulty I have with wrapping the whole thing up in an infinity and calling it a holy mystery? That's too Catholic for me.

Zephyr,
If the God we know is called God1, and He achieved Godhood under God2, who achieved godhood under God3, etc, how did the first one achieve godhood? How did any being attain to the rank of God before an atonement had been made? I cannot accept the answer that the number of Gods does not end. If that is so, then truly time has no meaning, and other possibilities are opened. For surely if mortal experience requires time, then there must have been at some point in history a time when no God existed, for every God was once as Man is now. Can you see the difficulty I have with wrapping the whole thing up in an infinity and calling it a holy mystery? That's too Catholic for me.

And it may suffice if I only say they are preserved for a wise purpose, which purpose is known unto God; for he doth counsel in wisdom over all his works, and his paths are straight, and his course is one eternal round.

For he that diligently seeketh shall find; and the mysteries of God shall be unfolded unto them, by the power of the Holy Ghost, as well in these times as in times of old, and as well in times of old as in times to come; wherefore, the course of the Lord is one eternal round.

I perceive that it has been made known unto you, by the testimony of his word, that he cannot walk in crooked paths; neither doth he vary from that which he hath said; neither hath he a shadow of turning from the right to the left, or from that which is right to that which is wrong; therefore, his course is one eternal round.

Listen to the voice of the Lord your God, even Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, whose course is one eternal round, the same today as yesterday, and forever.

For God doth not walk in crooked paths, neither doth he turn to the right hand nor to the left, neither doth he vary from that which he hath said, therefore his paths are straight, and his course is one eternal round.

Direction IS the difference. It is one thing to say there is an eternal posterity of Gods, where one generation after the next progresses to Godhood. We already have a mortal analogy. But if you run it backwards, there would be less and less Gods as you backward in time or on the posterity. In the same way, if we look backward on our family tree, eventually everyone on Earth is descended from Noah, or Adam if you choose to go back that far. Is there a first God? There was a first man. I have yet to see a credible quote stating Gods have always been.

"If he yields to temptation, we will give unto him the law of sacrifice, and we will provide a Savior for him, as we counseled in the beginning, that man may be brought forth by the power of the redemption and the resurrection, and come again into our presence, and with us partake of eternal life and exaltation. "

An interesting quote, to be sure. Especially when you consider that Science estimates the age of our sun as 5 billion years, and the age of the universe at 10 billion years. Now, in the science of Astrophysics, being off by a factor of 4 is still coming pretty close. Or, this is not the first eternity since the Big Bang.

JulesGP,
Your implication hangs a lot of doctrinal weight upon a single word. There are many quotes listed above by those in authority to indicate the sacrifice of Jehovah was the one and only sacrifice ever needed on this world or any other. Can you provide quotes by those in authority who agree with and expound upon the implication you believe?

33 And worlds without number have I created; and I also created them for mine own purpose; and by the Son I created them, which is mine Only Begotten.

Dragon wrote on Tue, 23 October 2012 08:00

JulesGP,
Your implication hangs a lot of doctrinal weight upon a single word. There are many quotes listed above by those in authority to indicate the sacrifice of Jehovah was the one and only sacrifice ever needed on this world or any other. Can you provide quotes by those in authority who agree with and expound upon the implication you believe?

Are you saying that you believe the Savior Jesus Christ atoned for the sins of the worlds of other Gods, and those previous to when our God came to be? What I have read so far in this thread doesn't seem to support that position unequivocally. It seems to me that the atonement of our Savior would apply to THESE worlds in which the Savior has business with:

Quote:

33 And worlds without number have I created; and I also created them for mine own purpose; and by the Son I created them, which is mine Only Begotten.

Everyone posting seems convinced their interpretation is the only one, but I am no longer certain.