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Re: Repentance before vs. after Calling and Election [message #994 is a reply to message #971] Sun, 26 August 2012 03:42 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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I have been contemplating what it is people would have to do to atone for their sins, why the telestials need a Redeemer, and why those of the Celestial Kingdom do not. Here is what I have found.

Christ said if we do not repent, we must suffer, even as He suffered. What was it Christ suffered? He suffered the pain and agony of every victim of every sin. How was He able to endure this? Physically, He is the Son of God, meaning He obtained power over His physical body to have His Spirit remain in His body, or release it at will. Spiritually, He had progressed to a point He had the capacity to endure such anguish without being destroyed.

Those living under a Telestial law do not have the mental or spiritual fortitude to suffer for their sins without being destroyed. That is to say, any progress they have made would be undone by facing the consequences of their sins, particularly because they had chosen the desire to do evil over the desire to good. Hence, they MUST have a redeemer to pay for their sins to allow them to keep progressing.

Those living a Celestial law, or those who have had their Calling and Election Made Sure, have progressed to a point where the desire to do evil is gone, and it is their goal to do good continually. Temptations still apply, and sometimes they do still falter. When this happens, they must suffer as Christ did, which is to say, they must suffer through all the consequences of their sins. If they lose their temper one time, their punishment is to feel how each and every person felt when they did it, and all the negative consequences of that one act. If the anger is a habit, the frequency is increased, as well as the severity of the long term effects on others. Truly, it would be hell to endure such things over and over until every direct and indirect victim or resulting reduction of happiness has been endured.

What then does murder do to the soul? If someone who is living a Terestrial law, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, commits murder, they should likewise be killed if you believe in reincarnation. This allows the soul to return to the spirit world before the stain of murder soaks too deeply into their soul. If they repent, the atonement will cover the consequences.

If someone does not or cannot repent of murder, the negative ramifications upon the person killed, their family, friends, posterity (or lack thereof) must fall upon the murder. This is a consequence which the scriptures tell us not only undoes all the progress made, but turns the murderer against God. If a person refuses to face the consequences of their actions, and does not or cannot repent and use the atoning sacrifice, the sin soaks into the soul, causing the sin to be acceptable, and most likely repeated.

This idea also reminds me of what should happen to someone who hurts a little child. Imagine the long lasting consequences of causing a small child anguish which will take their entire life or longer to overcome! Then imagine not only the consequences to that one person, but to every person they come in contact with who is affected by their depression or other mental illness! Now extend that to every person all of those people affect as a consequence of the negative influence which the mentally ill adult survivor of child abuse has inflicted. There is no end to this multiplicity of negativity, almost a bad as committing murder.

As this is an issue near and feared to my heart, I ask you wise and inspired friends, who pays for the sins of a child thus affected? If a child is abused, sins may develop as a direct consequence. How much of that sin is upon the head of the child when they grow up? How much of it is upon the head of the one who twisted the child's mind into believing such sins were necessary for survival? I believe by the sheer law of averages someone reading this post has endured such things and knows of which I speak. Among other things, I have met people who have physically injured themselves or attempted suicide as a direct result of some abuse experienced in their childhood. There are a multitude of other behaviors which I have observed or heard tale of. Can these people really take all of the blame for these things? I know not the answer, and perhaps such answers are known only to God.

- Dragon

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