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Re: Repentance before vs. after Calling and Election [message #971 is a reply to message #970] Thu, 23 August 2012 12:45 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
JulesGP
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Denryu wrote on Thu, 23 August 2012 11:38
I am not seeing this as you do. That's OK, this has given me something to ponder and consider.

Even if the Lord requires something of us, we still have our agency on whether or not to meet that requirement. Also a sacrifice implies agency also - you have to have a choice or it is no sacrifice.

Being delivered up to the buffetings of Satan - there is no choice available to the recipient - suffering a consequence that at that point there is no alternative and is beyond his or her control.

I love this board, and you, and hope that does not come across as contentious. It's not intended. But our understandings are on different places on this, and I am not qualified and am not claiming superior, inferior, or "equal but different". Smile

I hope we aren't talking past each other - I don't think we are, and hope that together and possible with some guidance from some of the other members that we can both increase our understanding on this.


Although, in truth, what the Lord was requiring or teaching Joseph Smith is not very important to us, compared to understanding what he requires of us. I love expanding my understanding, but I am beginning to learn that vast understanding with little doing is of little worth compared to small understanding but perfect compliance of what we understand.

Heavens no Kevin!! I don't feel like you are coming across that way at all! I'm loving this discussion (and the Elliaison forum), where we can explore this stuff with the spirit of honestly seeking the truth! (Besides, I may be totally off, and Amonhi or someone will come set me straight.... Embarrassed LOL).


Regarding the "buffetings of Satan", I just ran into this:

Quote:
BUFFETINGS OF SATAN.
See Damnation, Devil, Fire and Brimstone, Hell.

To be turned over to the buffetings of Satan is to be given into his hands; it is to be turned over to him with all the protective power of the priesthood, of righteousness, and of godliness removed, so that Lucifer is free to torment, persecute, and afflict such a person without let or hindrance. When the bars are down, the cuffs and curses of Satan, both in this world and in the world to come, bring indescribable anguish typified by burning fire and brimstone. The damned in hell so suffer.

Those who broke their covenants in connection with the United Order in the early days of this dispensation were to "be delivered over to the buffetings of Satan until the day of redemption." (D&C 78:12;82:20-21; 104:9-10.) A similar fate (plus destruction in the flesh) is decreed against those who have been sealed up unto eternal life so that their callings and elections have been made sure and who thereafter turn to grievous sin. (D&C 131:5, 132:19-26.)

BRM, Mormon Doctrine, pg.108


I found those sources that are underlined also helpful with regard to this topic.... Very Happy




~Jules

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