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Amonhi
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Denryu wrote on Tue, 21 August 2012 17:35That would not be according to my limited understanding, Jules.
The only people who have to spend time in hell, "purgatory", are those who do not accept the atonement when they have the opportunity in this life.
If you receive your C&E, even if you sin afterwards (almost a sure bet that you will) you do not personally have to suffer for those sins, Christ already paid that price.
My response is both overkill and at the same time not enough...but that's what I've got right now....
Jules is learning about some of the changes that we see in doctrine for those who have their C&E. She does not see it clearly now, and so is exploring the concept. The change she is specifically referring to is:
Quote: D&C 132:26 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, if a man marry a wife according to my word, and they are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, according to mine appointment, and he or she shall commit any sin or transgression of the new and everlasting covenant whatever, and all manner of blasphemies, and if they commit no murder wherein they shed innocent blood, yet they shall come forth in the first resurrection, and enter into their exaltation; but they shall be destroyed in the flesh, and shall be delivered unto the buffetings of Satan unto the day of redemption, saith the Lord God.
When you make your calling and election sure, the law is fulfilled, you become "Firstborn" of the father and inherit all things, old things are done away and All things become new".
Quote: 3Ne. 12:45-48: That ye may be the children of your Father who is in heaven; for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good.
46 Therefore those things which were of old time, which were under the law, in me are all fulfilled.
47 Old things are done away, and all things have become new.
48 Therefore I would that ye should be perfect even as I, or your Father who is in heaven is perfect.
Everything changes when you get your calling and election made sure. Adam fell from a Terrestrial state to a Telestial state. Christ came to redeem mankind from the fall, or in other words, bring them back into a Terrestrial state. Once we have been saved from the fall and brought back to the starting point, (a Terrestrial state), we have been redeemed from the fall, And the atonement have fulfilled its purpose. (The atonement saves fallen man who are in the Telestial state and brings them to the Terrestrial State where they can begin to work on their Perfection and Exaltation.
So, we when we have been redeemed from the fall, then we leave the foundation of the Aaronic priesthood laws and ordinances and move on to perfection. (Remember that the entire Aaronic Priesthood principles, laws and ordinances are entirely focused on overcoming the fall, sin and transgression.) The following scripture is in direct correlation with what Jesus taught above, but more clear...
Quote:Heb. 6:1-6 - Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God fresh, and put him to an open shame.
Once the atonement is completed in your life, it is no longer available... (bum, bum bummmmm) This takes us back to D&C 132:26 as quoted above where those who have their C&E will be destroyed in the flesh and receive the buffetings of Satan until the day they are resurrected. (Hopefully they will be twinkled as they have already suffered the buffetings of Satan...a discussion for the Firstborn section...)
This is not doctrine generally taught to those who have not yet received their C&E. As most of the church has not, it is not taught in church because it isn't applicable in the stage of progression which most of the church is currently in.
What is applicable to understand is that the truths of the Telestial kingdom are the lies of the Celestial Kingdom. So, DON"T GET STUCK thinking that "This is the only way it works and I won't accept anything else."
The kingdoms do not teach the same doctrines. Truth is relevant only in its sphere where God placed it. Also, intelligence, (us), are placed in sphere's or kingdoms and we are held to the truths which exist there, and not the truths which other sphere's are bound to.
Quote:D&C 93:30 - All truth is independent in that sphere in which God has placed it, to act for itself, as all intelligence also; otherwise there is no existence.
By independant, it means that truth will stand for itself because it is truth, but it will only stand for itself in the sphere or kingdom where God placed it. It will fall in an other kingdom or sphere...
Amonhi
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Repentance before vs. after Calling and Election
By: JulesGP on Tue, 21 August 2012 13:49
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Re: Lev. 16 - The Day of Atonement
By: Denryu on Tue, 21 August 2012 18:35
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Re: Lev. 16 - The Day of Atonement
By: Amonhi on Wed, 22 August 2012 10:52
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Re: Lev. 16 - The Day of Atonement
By: joheri on Thu, 23 August 2012 03:26
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Re: Lev. 16 - The Day of Atonement
By: joheri on Thu, 23 August 2012 04:25
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Re: Repentance before vs. after Calling and Election
By: JulesGP on Thu, 23 August 2012 08:55
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Re: Repentance before vs. after Calling and Election
By: Denryu on Thu, 23 August 2012 09:48
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Re: Repentance before vs. after Calling and Election
By: JulesGP on Thu, 23 August 2012 10:11
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Re: Repentance before vs. after Calling and Election
By: Denryu on Thu, 23 August 2012 11:38
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Re: Repentance before vs. after Calling and Election
By: JulesGP on Thu, 23 August 2012 12:45
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Re: Repentance before vs. after Calling and Election
By: Denryu on Thu, 23 August 2012 13:53
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Re: Repentance before vs. after Calling and Election
By: Amonhi on Fri, 24 August 2012 15:39
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Re: Repentance before vs. after Calling and Election
By: Denryu on Fri, 24 August 2012 19:30
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Re: Repentance before vs. after Calling and Election
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Re: Repentance before vs. after Calling and Election
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