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Re: Identity of the Holy Ghost [message #897 is a reply to message #896] Sun, 12 August 2012 17:23 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Consider some of the roles of the Holy Ghost:
Bear witness of the Father and the Son.
Deliver to us the words of Christ.
Sanctify us.
Carry our words into the hearts of others.
Give us the words that we need in the very moment that we need them.
Show us all things that we must do.

How can we do all those things?
How do we commit blasphemy against ourselves? And how is doing so grounds for spending eternity in Outer Darkness with the devil and his angels?


Here are a few verses on the Holy Ghost, followed by my comment. Before I start, I would like to remind all what Jesus Christ stated in D&C 18. He said that if we know that the scriptures are true, that we are to rely on them.

Yea, behold, I will tell you in your mind and in your heart, by the Holy Ghost, which shall come upon you and which shall dwell in your heart.
(Doctrine and Covenants 8:2)
How could he come upon us and dwell in our hearts, if we are him?

And it shall come to pass, that if you shall ask the Father in my name, in faith believing, you shall receive the Holy Ghost, which giveth utterance, that you may stand as a witness of the things of which you shall both hear and see, and also that you may declare repentance unto this generation.
(Doctrine and Covenants 14:8)
We have to ask for the Holy Ghost, how can that be so if it us?


Which Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one God, infinite and eternal, without end. Amen
(Doctrine and Covenants 20:28)
Are we God? Do we have all of the attributes of God in perfection? This verse says the Holy Ghost is God, right now.

And to confirm the church by the laying on of the hands, and the giving of the Holy Ghost;
(Doctrine and Covenants 20:43)
If we are the Holy Ghost, why do we need an ordinance to give the Holy Ghost?

19 Wherefore, watch over him that his faith fail not, and it shall be given by the Comforter, the Holy Ghost, that knoweth all things.
(Doctrine and Covenants 35:19)
If we knew all things, we wouldn't need to post questions on Internet forums.

13 To some it is given by the Holy Ghost to know that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and that he was crucified for the sins of the world.
14 To others it is given to believe on their words, that they also might have eternal life if they continue faithful.
(Doctrine and Covenants 46:1314)
Why don't we all choose to have the gift of knowing that Jesus is the Christ? If we are the Holy Ghost, and we have agency, why not? Why not choose to have all the gifts?

The Holy Ghost shall be thy constant companion, and thy scepter an unchanging scepter of righteousness and truth; and thy dominion shall be an everlasting dominion, and without compulsory means it shall flow unto thee forever and ever.
(Doctrine and Covenants 121:46)
If we are the Holy Ghost, how can this verse make any sense?

A man may receive the Holy Ghost, and it may descend upon him and not tarry with him.
(Doctrine and Covenants 130:23)
How can we not tarry with ourselves?

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
(John 14:26)
The Holy Ghost is sent by the Father.

Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
(Matthew 1:18)
How does this work?

And the Holy Ghost giveth authority that I should speak these things, and deny them not.
(1 Nephi 10:22)
Can we authorize ourselves to speak whatever we want?

and after he was baptized, I beheld the heavens open, and the Holy Ghost come down out of heaven and abide upon him in the form of a dove.
(1 Nephi 11:27)
Nephi saw the Holy Ghost as a separate entity, why isn't that enough to prove that we are not the Holy Ghost?

For behold, if ye deny the Holy Ghost when it once has had place in you
(Alma 39:6)

How can we have once had place in ourselves?

In summary, I see nothing in the scriptures which supports any other position other than that the Holy Ghost is an individual spirit that is a member of the Godhead. Even the most righteous among us are not members of the Godhead.

[Updated on: Sun, 12 August 2012 17:25]

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