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Re: Revelation, prophecy and the Fulness of the Gospel [message #69 is a reply to message #57] Sun, 27 June 2010 10:52 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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The list of levels of testimony and knowledge about Jesus Christ bothers me. The first part says all about the church and how you should have this before you get baptized, but then it goes down and says that you're a prophet and you prophesy. - Fairy and Dragon


Regarding Prophet and Prophecy part - I will attempt to provide my thoughts on this in this thread: http:// www.elliaison.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=32&goto=6 8&rid=3&S=3e5394a3ae90c451cc70f3dc6975c1d1#msg_68

Regarding The list of levels of testimony and knowledge:
This list is patterned after the requirements for the 3 kingdoms of Glory. These requirements are given cryptically in D&C 76. (Elliaison has more detail that can be provided regarding these criteria which I will try to get and open a thread in the Deep Doctrine Forum.) They are as follows:

  1. Telestial - Lowest Kingdom - Those here have No Revelation regarding Christ and so they do not have a Testimony of Christ from the spirit. But they do have various revelations from the Holy Ghost who governs here. With the revelations come prophecies and understanding. This is the power of the Holy Ghost to influence periodically. Are they prophets, Yes. Are they prophets of Jesus Christ? No. I believe that to say they have, "no Gift" is incorrect.
  2. Terrestrial - Middle Kingdom - Receive a Testimony of Christ from the spirit. And have the oppertunity for the spirit to be with them always because they accepted it fully. The Millennial Earth is a Terrestrial kingdom and there will be many from other churches and religious and non-religious groups that are part of that kingdom. Having a testimony of Christ makes all the difference because you now have knowledge that enables your progression beyond that available to those who do not know the Christ.
  3. Celestial - Highest Kingdom - Receive the Knowledge of Christ. And have the oppertunity for Christ to be with them always because they accepted him fully. They are now influenced in part by God. They know God and Jesus whom he has sent. If you know the one, then you know the other.

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The prerequisite to baptism is a testimony of Jesus. This is also a prerequisite to receiving the gift of the holy ghost. These steps seem to show these are one and the same. - Fairy

Bingo! You are correct. I expect this will be discussed in the other thread, (mentioned above), as well.
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Someone who has felt in their heart a witness of the truth of another person's words has a testimony of Jesus, but is far from prepared to prophesy about it. - Fairy

All truth comes from God through the Holy Ghost. This includes secular truth such as we find in science and the inspirations of invention. A testimony of Christ is not required for revelation from the Holy Ghost. Many people experience revelation from the Holy Ghost but don't know that they are experiencing it. They simply call it by other names, but it is the same experience. When they receive a witness, they are prepared to prophecy regarding it.

This is so for 2 reasons:

  1. The same process of receiving revelation from the spirit is the same process by which we prophecy. If you can receive revelation from the Holy Ghost, then you can prophecy by that same spirit.
  2. The revelation contains the seed of prophecy. For example, with the revelation of Airplanes comes the prophecy that people everywhere will fly from place to place. With the invention of the atom bomb come various prophecies. Non of which require a testimony of Jesus Christ.

People will learn all sorts of knowledge, just as we did in our pre-mortal lives. But only certain knowledge will progress us from one kingdom to the next. People who are in the lower kingdoms will continue to learn and progress, but they will not learn those things pertaining to a new kingdom without being part of that kingdom.

Although a person who has a testimony of Christ has the spirit of prophecy, a person doesn't need to have a testimony of Christ to have the spirit of prophecy. The Testimony of Christ is one of the many prophecies/revelations we can receive from the Holy Ghost.

That is because you cannot receive a testimony of Christ without experiencing the Holy Ghost which is the spirit of prophecy. You can't receive any revelation in any form without having the spirit of prophecy which is the Holy Ghost.

Remember that the Holy Ghost governs the Telestial or lowest degree of glory. So people in this Telestial world will all be influenced by the Holy Ghost and progress because if that influence.

Last thought: I agree with Philip, good point regarding not listening to the Holy Ghost makes it get quieter. And on the other side, listening to the Holy Ghost makes it get louder and more obvious.

[Updated on: Sun, 27 June 2010 11:23]

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