| Re: Sinning as Spirits in the Premortal World [message #506 is a reply to message #505] |
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Dragon
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Amonhi,
I see what you are going for here. The words confused me at first, and now I see why. This could easily be misinterpreted to mean we only really repent once. While this may be your end goal, stated in so short a phrase, it can lead to ideas such as 'God expects me to keep sinning for awhile longer, so I might as well do it.' or 'If I haven't had my calling and election made sure, and achieved the final redemption, then I'm only a worthless sinner who will never improve.'
Those are two examples of how to take this line of thinking too far, and I'm hoping you can give me further insight into this concept by removing those ideas as viable.
Seeker,
In teaching Gospel Doctrine this week, I found the best definition of hell in the scriptures, which also illustrates when someone is 'fully ripe'.
Quote:Alma Chapter 12
9 And now Alma began to expound these things unto him, saying: It is given unto many to know the mysteries of God; nevertheless they are laid under a strict command that they shall not impart only according to the portion of his word which he doth grant unto the children of men, according to the heed and diligence which they give unto him.
10 And therefore, he that will harden his heart, the same receiveth the lesser portion of the word; and he that will not harden his heart, to him is given the greater portion of the word, until it is given unto him to know the mysteries of God until he know them in full.
11 And they that will harden their hearts, to them is given the lesser portion of the word until they know nothing concerning his mysteries; and then they are taken captive by the devil, and led by his will down to destruction. Now this is what is meant by the chains of dhell.
As for no unclean thing dwelling in the presence of God, we know that Lucifer has entered the presence of God more than once since his fall. So, while no unclean thing can DWELL in the presence of God, unclean things can VISIT the presence of God. How long must we be in the presence of God to be considered dwelling? Long enough to show we are comfortable there, and have no desire to leave.
- Dragon
- Dragon
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