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Re: They that are Without the Law [message #336 is a reply to message #334]

Fri, 06 May 2011 18:37

Amonhi
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But even God repents and corrects any bad actions as God grows and learns. Isn't that repentance?

Contrary to what is commonly taught, Repentance has nothing to do with a change in action like is commonly taught. It has nothing to do with a step-by-step process walking you from realization to repair. This is a lower law, manual ordinance or symbolic representation of what a truly repentant person might do.

Real repentance is a change in heart and in nature. Such a change only happens once. (If you were to change your heart and nature twice, you would be a natural man, then a godly man and then a natural man again.)

When you focus on the actions you are misled. 2 people can do the same action and 1 is blessed for being good and the other cursed for being evil. 2 people can pray and one is blessed and the other cursed even though they outwardly did the same thing.

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For behold, if a man being evil giveth a gift, he doeth it grudgingly; wherefore it is counted unto him the same as if he had retained the gift; wherefore he is counted evil before God.

And likewise also is it counted evil unto a man, if he shall pray and not with real intent of heart; yea, and it profiteth him nothing, for God receiveth none such.

Wherefore, a man being evil cannot do that which is good; neither will he give a good gift.

An evil man will change his actions but not his heart. And although he appears outwardly to do good, he is evil still. He may have gone through all the steps of any repentant process and yet he has not repented. (No matter how many "I'm sorries", "Hail Mary's, Oh Our Father's or visits to the Bishop he does...)

A good man has repented meaning to change his heart from hate to love and his nature from the natural man to the Godly man. When this change is truly complete, he cannot go back without denying the Holy Ghost which testified and taught and changed the man from carnal to Godly. It is not easy to go back to carnal.

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Just because I have my C&E doesn't mean I don't accidentally hurt others or fail to be the best person I am striving to be.

If you are accidentally hurting others then you are not intentionally or flippantly hurting others. Your heart is good.

Just like an evil man can do good things and it is counted as evil, so to will a good man accidentally do bad things and it is counted as good.
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How does that mean I don't need a law or to repent??

Laws are for those who can't govern themselves. Those who have truly/fully repented or changed do not need outer laws. They have the "higher law" written in their hearts.

The 10 commandments were outwardly written on cold, hard, unfeeling and unchanging stone. They don't account for situations and weaknesses. They have no love in them. And so it is with the entire lower law.

The "Higher law" is not really a law. It is the ability to self govern in peace and equality in the absence of law. The moment you write it down it becomes the lower law and an attempt to govern others who are incapable of governing themselves. The only reason to create a law or a rule is because you have determined that people cannot govern themselves without it. The more laws a people requires, the further they are from the Higher law.

Any law or rule that you can read or write is a lower law. The more general the law/rule, the close to the Higher law it is. The more specific the law/rule, the lower the law it is and the more the law is designed for the weakest Saint.

The Higher law is a way of being and living. It is a nature. It is written on the warm, soft, feeling and changing heart. It accounts for situations and weaknesses. It IS Love.

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This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. - Heb 10:16-18

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Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart I have written my law, fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings. - 2 Nephi 8:7

One of the most simplified expressions of the Higher Law is taught by Christ as recorded in the bible:
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Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

This is the first and great commandment.

And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. - Matt. 22:36-40

In this explanation Christ gave no specific rules or details regarding how you go about loving God and men. It lacks the full expression of the higher law in that it only alludes to being Love and don't grasp the full extent of self government, but again if you can write it, it isn't the higher law.

Writing may point to the higher law just as my comments here can only point to it while still unable to capture the full essence of the higher law. It is a spiritual law. And as with all spiritual things, it must be Revealed by the Holy Ghost to be understood.

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		They that are Without the Law By: Amonhi on Fri, 29 April 2011 18:19
		Re: They that are Without the Law By: Dragon on Fri, 29 April 2011 23:48
		Re: They that are Without the Law By: Seeker on Mon, 02 May 2011 21:10
		Re: They that are Without the Law By: Amonhi on Tue, 03 May 2011 19:54
		Re: They that are Without the Law By: Dragon on Tue, 03 May 2011 22:03
		Re: They that are Without the Law By: Amonhi on Wed, 04 May 2011 18:18
		Re: They that are Without the Law By: Dragon on Wed, 04 May 2011 18:56
		Re: They that are Without the Law By: Amonhi on Thu, 05 May 2011 14:57
		Re: They that are Without the Law By: Seeker on Fri, 06 May 2011 11:41
		Re: They that are Without the Law By: Amonhi on Fri, 06 May 2011 18:37
		Re: They that are Without the Law By: bishop on Sat, 07 May 2011 07:07
		Re: They that are Without the Law By: Amonhi on Sat, 07 May 2011 14:21

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