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zone wrote on Thu, 22 August 2013 13:51So wasn't the original constitution founded upon the need for a 2/3 vote or something is that the same thing of protecting the majority over the minority? Isn't that what this statement is making? When the government overrides what the people wanted? Anyways we do this in Utah with many things. No alcohol in stores because the majority don't want it, No full strip clubs, etc... etc... There is not a way to protect both at once except to have government step out completely than the people would let "anything go" if they are not of one heart.
As Denver related in his Constitution talk, The Constitution established a country in which each "kingdom" would vary just as the Kingdom's of Heaven vary from Telestial, Terrestrial to Celestial... and the experiment of Freedom in each state. Therefore there is always a group that isn't "covered" in this. Its the minority.
Am I not seeing this right? I see the problems as you mentioned but not that this si what it was referring to.
Quote:Many Californians will wonder if there is something fundamentally wrong when their government will not defend or protect a popular vote that reflects the views of a majority of their citizens
I think you are right to a degree. But take into consideration that the majority cannot vote to prevent the minority from having the ability to speak their opinions. Freedom of speech is protected for the minority as well as the majority. If the majority don't like what the minority have to say, they can't make laws that limit the minorities freedom to speak out. If the majority don't like the minorities choice of religious belief, the majority does not have the right to vote laws that deny that freedom. Even an individuals right to personal beliefs are protected.
So the country was actually founded on principles that were intended to protect the freedoms of the minorities...
But, there is then a question about what do do when you can ONLY do one thing. Like, we can only have one President. Each group can't have different Presidents, so the groups all vote and the minorities have a voice, but in the end, they are out voted and the majority vote makes the decision for the group including the minority. This is a far better society than the previously known best which was the feudal system which was a far better society than the previously best know systems of antiquity which were largely slave dependant...
My point being that we grow and learn as societies. Over time, we see the problems created by our current system and seek to resolve those problems in the creation of the new society. I am personally convinced that eventually we will live in a society that protects the freedoms of the individual to govern their lives according to their own desires as long as they are not impeding others from exercising the same freedoms. I fully believe from personal experience that as we grow closer to the Celestial kingdom we gain the ability to be more diverse and independent in thought and action rather than as many suppose that we become more clone like, thinking the same things and doing the same things. Agency is HUGE in the eternal scheme and it is not lost or restricted in higher kingdoms, it is enhanced and encouraged as long as we are not interfering with others.
For example, we sinned in the premortal world while in God's presence, but we were not removed from God's presence. But Satan and 1/3rd of the hosts of heaven were removed from God's presence when they attempted to interfere with the agency of the other 2/3rds. They committed a sin that was so great that they were no longer welcome in God's Celestial society.
~ Seeker
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