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Re: Identity of the Holy Ghost [message #2688 is a reply to message #2681] Mon, 19 August 2013 12:01 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Elejian wrote on Sat, 17 August 2013 17:37
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So the Holy Ghost cannot dwell inside our spirits either.

There may be a semantics issue here, with the definition of the word "dwell."

Because "the Holy Ghost . . . is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us" (D&C 130:22).

Also, one or more unclean spirits seem to be able to "dwell" in a person (e.g. Mosiah 3:6, Luke 11:24-26, Mark 5:8-13).

Also, "Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit" (1 John 4:13).

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Spirits do not pass through other spirits. . . . The Holy Ghost . . . does communicate with our spirits. This is done by an angel of the Lord who stands beside each of us.

To "stand beside" must be figurative.

Because if every righteous member has 1 or 2 angels beside them, and if spirits can't occupy the same space, this creates a challenge when a large number of righteous members are physically packed very close to each other. For example: a large earthquake at the Conference Center causing tens of thousands of people to become lumped together in a huge mass. A righteous member at the center of the mass of people would still need access to his or her angel(s) for guidance(?).

(I suppose that another way one can get around this is if one believes that angelic bodies are significantly smaller than physical mortal bodies, but I don't know of any scriptures that support this.)

Also, when we pray to "Heavenly Father" and get an answer, it's not really "Heavenly Father," but an angel next to us who heard and answered our prayer? Why are we taught to pray, "Our Father in Heaven?" Why not "My Personal Angel?"

My own belief is that Heavenly Father hears and answers our prayers without the need for a middleman angel.

The medium by which Heavenly Father does so is mentioned in the following 2 quotes.

"To prepare men to receive revelation from the Holy Ghost, the Lord sends forth his Spirit--meaning the Light of Christ, the omnipresent Spirit" (Bruce R. McConkie, The Promised Messiah, 75).

"We also believe that God the Eternal Father is omnipresent. Now by that I might point out that since he is a personal being, he can be in only one place at one time; and yet from him emanates a divine substance or spirit which we term the Spirit of God, the Spirit of the Lord, or the Holy Spirit. That divine substance emanates from God to fill the immensity of space. It is through that divine spirit that he performs his great work. Also, it is through that divine Spirit that he is omnipresent" (Milton R. Hunter, Conference Report, October 1948, 17).

I want to make clear a few things. We pray only to our Heavenly Father, in the name of Jesus Christ as directed by the power of the Holy Ghost. Divine help from God comes to each of us in various ways. Angels of the Lord play a significant role in Heavenly Father's divine help in each of our lives. There are angles are our left and on our right. They speak to us the mind and will and words of Christ by the power of the Holy Ghost. Yes, the Light of Christ fills the immensity of space. How does each and every message for each of us personally get to us to guide and direct us every moment of the day? Through the Light of Christ, through the Holy Ghost and to each and every angel of the Lord to each and everyone of us personally here on earth. We are never alone. President David O. McKay stated that when we pray angels of the Lord take our prayers and by the speed of thought carry them to the halls of remembrance in heaven. The Prophet Joseph Smith stated that these angels of the Lord around us know our thoughts, words, action and desires of our hearts and are often grieved thereby. The Holy Ghost can only be at one place at one time, but with a massive army of celestial, heavenly messengers everyone can know to choose the right, receive witnesses of divine truths and feel the peaceful heavenly comfort that God intends for each of us. When the Lord stated that we have angels on our left and on our right, round about us to bear us up, that I testify is absolutely true! Angels do speak by the power of the Holy Ghost the words of Christ. This is because Christ cannot be everywhere at the same time. If what you stated, that the Light of Christ is capable of conveying all the help we need, then why would The Lord make clear His constant use angels to give us divine spiritual help , guidance, comfort and revelation? God chooses to always send a messenger, be it an angel, prophet, missionary, or us or Christ Himself.
 
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