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Re: Will there be other Saviors for other worlds? [message #2309 is a reply to message #1006]

Thu, 14 March 2013 13:43

zone
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Not to bump an old thread but I'll leave my 2 cents.

If God did not suffer like Christ that means Christ would be greater than God. That doesn't seem right.

Christ was not perfect until he suffered for all and than died on the Cross. Look at his appearance in 3 Nephi 11, He adds in the Words "This is my beloeved son whom I am well pleased" Than says "Who is perfect even as I am perfect" Paraphrasing so sorry if I butchered it. In the new testament he does not say Christ is perfect. He became perfect when he died and suffered.

now Joseph Smith stated, I do only what i see the father do. Referring to Christ. Christ tells us I do only what I see God do. What did God do? Well look at Christ and you will know what God did.

The question arises, when did Christ ever see what God did relating to Gethsemane and the crucifixion? I wondered if this is why he asked paul to watch with him yet couldn't...

Joseph f Smith answers that question, Truman G madsen shares this quote in his teachings on either Joseph Smith or the New testament. (can't find it at the moment so ill paraphrase) He says it was shown unto Christ in a vision what the Father did before him so that he could do what he saw the father do.

Thus we go from exaltation to exaltation until we obtain the ressurection of the Dead and have power to take up our life or to lay it own. Until we ourselves have been perfected. How can we expect to be a God living 100% on borrowed forgiveness through the atonement. Its not enough to be as God and a God if we ourselves will have a firstborn to be a Christ. He would be greater than we are. A Son doing something he did not see the father do! Thus we must all become the first begotten of the flesh by God. Receive a almost perfected godlike body in the flesh to work out our perfection. Than we will be the firstborn. After all after this life we will become "the church of the firstborn". Which I assume to mean the church to prepare us to enter into the next kingdom (kolob). Just like the LDS church prepares us to enter into the Terrestial kingdom.

Kolob comes from the temple symbolish, earth stones, moon stones, sun stones, and above that saturn stones which represents Kolob. "If I could hie to kolob" hymn speaks this beautifully.

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