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Re: Identity of the Holy Ghost [message #2090 is a reply to message #2089]

Fri, 25 January 2013 14:03

Denryu
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I agree with you on that Dragon. I have long felt that the idea that God exists completely outside of time to be incorrect. Yes, all things are before Him. He KNOWS the beginning from the end. Any other interpretation, I believe, renders moot cause and effect. God does respond, this is not a negative. Consequence FOLLOWS choices. And of course it makes sense, like you point out that an eternal being has no need to measure time - but the argument that He is outside of time is flawed.

One example that comes to mind is in the D&C where the angels are wanting to begin the destructions, and God tells them to wait because the wheat is still tender and the wheat and tares need to grow together for a little season. If God and His angels are completely outside of time, there would be no "waiting" He would just insert them into the proper portion of the ever-present "now".

I don't think this is simply a matter of it being beyond our comprehension, I think it smacks of a God without body, parts or passions, who fills the universe and yet is small enough to dwell in a man's heart...

Libertas optimas rarem, nunquam servili sub nexu.
"There is no gift like Liberty, therefore never live under slavery."

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