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FreddyV
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[quote title=rdwhitaker wrote on Thu, 24 January 2013 11:19]
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Christ's presence (Light of Christ) is more than just 'felt' throughout the universe. It IS the universe. Its what makes matter coherent and cells alive. I saw this in vision one time while giving a blessing.
That is a wonderful testimony, and it is exactly what I believe too. This is described well in D&C 88:11-13.
Quote:3. What is meant by the Holy Spirit as described in the Fifth Lecture on Faith?
I think the confusing part in this part of the Lectures is that they seem to omit the Holy Ghost as a distinct personage. Should we infer that means there is no such being? I'm not sure. The Fifth Lecture contains this:
Quote:[ Lec 5:2q] and all those who keep his commandments shall grow up from grace to grace, and become heirs of the heavenly kingdom, and joint heirs with Jesus Christ;
[ Lec 5:2r] possessing the same mind, being transformed into the same image or likeness, even the express image of him who fills all in all;
[ Lec 5:2s] being filled with the fullness of his glory, and become one in him, even as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one.
Yes, and the Fifth Lecture also states this.
Quote: Q. How many personages are there in the Godhead?
A. Two: the Father and the Son.
It also states that the Father and the Son share the same mind, which mind is the Holy Spirit. That doesn't sound like a personage to me.
Quote:Quote from Denver Snuffer
If the Holy Ghost is a "personage of Spirit" and it can "dwell in us," and the Holy Spirit is "the mind of the Father and Son" then are they the same thing?
Quote:I believe they are the same thing. The mind of the Father and the Son can certainly be revealed and Their will carried out by the Holy Ghost. I don't see why we should think of those two terms (H.G. and H.S.) as being different from each other.
I think of them as different because of the way in which they are described. In fact, this was the reason why the Lectures on Faith were removed from the Doctrine & Covenants. Church leaders could not reconcile how the Holy Spirit was described in the Fifth Lecture compared to what it states about the Holy Ghost in D&C 130.
Quote:The scriptures have explained that the "Holy Ghost" which dwells in you - this personage of Spirit - has the following other descriptions, or attributes:
-the Comforter
-the record of heaven
-the truth of all things
-the peacable things of immortal glory
-that which quickeneth all things
-that which knoweth all things
-that which has all power according to wisdom, mercy, truth, justice and judgment.
(Moses 6: 61.)
This is a description of the personage of Spirit which dwells inside you. This is the Holy Ghost. This is something that can be in contact with the Holy Spirit, or the "mind of the Father and Son."
Joseph Smith also stated that the Holy Ghost is now in a state of probation. I wonder what he means by that?
To me, the way the Godhead is described in the Fifth Lecture on Faith, is plain and simple. I do not ask you to see this how I do. I have received this truth via revelation and cannot force it upon anyone. I believe that the way the Holy Ghost is described as capable of being in contact with the "mind of the Father and Son," describes a very personal and sacred relationship we share with the Father and Son. To me, it makes the Gospel even that much more glorious, as well as simple.
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