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Re: Identity of the Holy Ghost [message #1524 is a reply to message #1268] Thu, 06 December 2012 20:17 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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This is a very interesting discussion. I've read some wonderful thoughts from everyone. One thing that strikes me about the Gospel is its complete simplicity. It is simple, it is plain, a child can understand the greatest mysteries. The mysteries of God are not mysteries because of their complexity, but because our eyes are closed and our hearts are hard and we are so prone to rejecting truth when it challenges things we think we understand.

"I have tried for a number of years to get the minds of the Saints prepared to receive the things of God; but we frequently see some of them, after suffering all they have for the work of God, will fly to pieces like glass as soon as anything comes that is contrary to their traditions: they cannot stand the fire at all. How many will be able to abide a celestial law, and go through and receive their exaltation, I am unable to say, as many are called, but few are chosen." (Jan. 20, 1844.)
--DHC 6:183-185.

John 10:34
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

1 Cor 3:
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Whoever led the Son of God into the waters of baptism, and had the privilege of beholding the Holy Ghost descend in the form of a dove, or rather in the sign of the dove, in witness of that administration? The sign of the dove was instituted before the creation of the world, a witness for the Holy Ghost, and the devil cannot come in the sign of a dove. The Holy Ghost is a personage, and is in the form of a personage. It does not confine itself to the form of the dove, but in sign of the dove. The Holy Ghost cannot be transformed into a dove; but the sign of a dove was given to John to signify the truth of the deed, as the dove is an emblem or token of truth and innocence. TPJS (reference Facsimile 2 explanation 7 to see a representation of the sign of the Holy Ghost)

Lecture 5 from Lectures on Faith
And he being the Only Begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth, and having overcome, received a fullness of the glory of the Father, possessing the same mind with the Father, which mind is the Holy Spirit,
How many personages are there in the Godhead? Two: the Father and Son.

8 Now they were ordained after this manner--being called with a holy calling, and ordained with a holy ordinance, and taking upon them the high priesthood of the holy order, which calling, and ordinance, and high priesthood, is without beginning or end--
9 Thus they become high priests forever, after the order of the Son, the Only Begotten of the Father, who is without beginning of days or end of years, who is full of grace, equity, and truth. And thus it is. Amen. (Alma, Chapter 13)

54 They are they who are the church of the Firstborn.
55 They are they into whose hands the Father has given all things--
56 They are they who are priests and kings, who have received of his fulness, and of his glory;
57 And are priests of the Most High, after the order of Melchizedek, which was after the order of Enoch, which was after the order of the Only Begotten Son.
58 Wherefore, as it is written, they are gods, even the sons of God--
(Doctrine and Covenants, 76)

I've cited scriptures and writings of the prophet Joseph Smith. I do not intend to convince anyone of my view or to persuade anyone. However, if we have soft hearts, we can often find things we might never have imagined.
74 Our minds being now enlightened, we began to have the scriptures laid open to our understandings, and the true meaning and intention of their more mysterious passages revealed unto us in a manner which we never could attain to previously, nor ever before had thought of. (Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith--History, 1)

Questions we might ask ourselves.
How does a personage dwell within all of God's children? Can the answer be given with a straightforward and simple explanation?
What does D&C 88: 7, 12-13 teach us about the light of Christ? Is this the same thing as is described in the 5th Lecture on Faith?
What can we learn about our premortal experience from Alma 13? How about Abraham 3?
How are the scriptures in Alma 13 and D&C 76 related?

Post Script: A few more good questions.
What are we taught about the Godhead in the temple?
How do the signs and tokens we receive represent the Godhead?
What are we to learn from the first three personages that are introduced during the endowment ceremony?
What are we to learn from Michael, and the progression that is described during the endowment ceremony?

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