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iWitness
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I'm not coming from a place saying that everybody everywhere should abstain from meats!/code]
I am keeping D&C 89:13 in mind as well as D&C 49:21. That there is a time and a place, a season if you will, for those things.
I'm just glad I can talk about these things here without getting eaten alive. I'm content giving my view and having you give yours. Socrates liked to "birth" ideas. His ideas were NOT popular. ... I love Socrates... I've tried to do this with family and friends, even some church members, but I am scoffed at for my ideals.
Dragon, we simply disagree, and I'm OK with that  There is now a balance to this discussion here, and I thank you for that. If we all believed the same things here...there would be NOTHING to discuss, and those on the outside looking in would probably be...i don't know, upset maybe? at the things that were being discussed. THOSE CRAZY MORMONS!!! I failed to mention that you replied to the wearing of makeup, eating meat and unhealthy food, watching movies with foul material, and television in ways that others have responded to me. We're on the same page I think when it comes to magazines and sports. I've been on LDS/Mormon websites where if I brought up the things I did, I would have been eaten alive. Like you said, these things might be their favorite sins, and who likes to be accused of their favorite sins? I've been on LDS websites where people talk about how watching sports on the tube is a Christ-centered activity. I've been on LDS websites where they say it is desirable to get plastic surgery in the form of breast implants. I CRINGE when they say things like that. Elder Uchtdorf came out a while back(Pride and the Priesthood) and in a nutshell said how we should examine our participation of sports more closely. After he said that, my husband and I were sure we'd see people dropping the hobby. Nope. It didn't happen.
Why do I bring these topics up? Why are they important? Are they important?
If no one out there is saying:
"Think about the meat you eat and study what the scriptures have to say about it."
"Study Healthy food and try not to put garbage in your body."
"Study the Sadducees and Pharisees of the New Testament and make sure you're not a Latter-Day Pharisee or Sadducee; judging unrighteously."
"Do the television programs and commercials bring you closer to God and leave you feeling whole, full of light, and joyful? Or do they leave you feeling empty and temporarily happy? Can you trace your addiction to pornography back to something you viewed on television?"-note: my view of joy and happiness are two separate things.
"Do sports make you feel full of charity, brotherly love and kindness? What surrounds sports? Godliness?"
"Does makeup have ANYTHING to do with your eternal salvation? Does it make you feel good about yourself? Do you like what you see in the mirror without it? Do you think it "enhances" something that God has already made in His image? Does it take up a large portion of your time?"
"Would Christ watch the movies you are watching, whatever the rating may be? Is it helping you become a god or goddess? Is it wasting your time with cheap entertainment? Is it respectful to a woman's sacred body?"
Like Denryu put it,
[code]Simply because God has declared something clean or unclean for us is no reason to judge others by the same standard. It is not given to us to know what has been given to them.
Yes, in many things there is a standard that applies to all. But I also wonder if in other things the standard is tailored to the individual, in part to see if we will indeed OBEY rather than follow the herd./code]
I think that if God is going to give us something by means of The Holy Spirit and revelation, that there may be more to it. That is my purpose here, to bring to mind some things we may view in harmless ways, when really, in the long run, we'll end up somewhere far from where we intended to go. Satan loves to chain us in many ways shapes and forms. If we are indeed here to learn to be like our Father and Mother in heaven, wouldn't it be of detrimental value to think about each thing we do and weigh whether or not it is of God? I cannot keep my thoughts to myself anymore! I am 23 years old and I need to let people know what I am thinking! If I can't do it in person, I'll do it on the internet!
Let me assure you all that I DO NOT look down on any of you, or anyone else for that matter, if they participate in these things. Everyone is on a different path of progression, of COURSE! I'm not one of the sadducees and pharisees that goes around looking in peoples windows to find someone who is committing adultry...IN THE VERY ACT!!!! I like to think that I'd be more thoughtful than that... I respect your opinions, as I know you and I come from very different backgrounds, different upbringings, different thought-processes, and the like.
My second topic I would love to bring up is makeup.
Ashley, We understand something is very wrong here... Makeup is very problematic. It makes women feel pretty, valued, favored, gives them self-esteem, oft times making them feel prideful and of higher rank than those others who are without.
My whole life I've struggled with my self-esteem. The world says a woman should look a very specific way, and if you don't fit the worlds criteria of beauty, you're ugly.
How sad. We believe this. Don't you? You believe there are beautiful people and ugly people. Ugly on the outside. When I became closer and closer to God by living the Gospel, I found that I wore less and less makeup until all I was doing was drawing on eyebrows(I don't have eyebrows, it's hereditary). Because of the philosophies of men, we now believe that beauty is something found in the magazines, runways, faces and bodies of God's children. It is not so brothers and sisters. Each one of us is of infinite worth. Each one of us is beautiful beyond description. And here's the punch, it has nothing to do with a body. Every body is beautiful. Who is the Author of Lies? Why do we believe these lies? That we're not enough. That we're not ever going to measure up.
The makeup industry is a multi-billion dollar industry, making profit on the false assumption that what God has given you isn't enough, isn't beautiful and must be made up. The makeup industry wouldn't make money if women felt they were beautiful without makeup. I have met VERY VERY VERY few women who feel they look beautiful and comely without makeup.
Most women give the following justifications for wearing makeup:
"It enhances the natural beauty God has given me"
"I wear makeup to express my artistic nature."
"I'm not beautiful without it. It gives me self-esteem."
2 Nephi 13:16-24
[code] 16 Moreover, the Lord saith: Because the daughters of Zion are ahaughty, and bwalk with stretched-forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet--
17 Therefore the Lord will smite with a ascab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the Lord will bdiscover their secret parts.
18 In that aday the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments, and cauls, and round tires like the moon;
19 The chains and the bracelets, and the mufflers;
20 The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the ear-rings;
21 The rings, and nose jewels;
22 The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping-pins;
23 The glasses, and the fine linen, and hoods, and the veils.
24 And it shall come to pass, instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle, a rent; and instead of well set hair, abaldness; and instead of a stomacher, a girding of sackcloth; bburning instead of cbeauty./code]
Now, I'm not perfect in these ways. I try with all I have, but the world is relentless. I am not perfect in coming out of Babylon and that great and spacious building yet. Some days I would fit the description of those who were ashamed and fell in to forbidden paths. I always get to the point where I can take all makeup off except eyebrows. Which defeats the purpose of what I'm talking about. People treat me different when I wear makeup and look like a supermodel. I hate that. I take it all off and people often ask if I'm feeling OK, or if I just don't have time to make myself up anymore because I have two small children. Makeup literally makes up, or makes an illusion of how one really looks. Take the makeup off the models and movie stars and they literally look like another person on the streets. You'd never know a difference. Makeup is worldly. I know that from personal experience.
I think I'm going to leave these topics alone for awhile. I think I've made my point for now, and I don't want to get kicked out of you awesome peoples circle just yet!!! I'll start commenting on the other threads, since that is what brought me here initially.
Thank you all for being the amazing Children of Light that you are. I love learning here! It's such an exciting time to be alive! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Right and Wrong
By: iWitness on Fri, 09 November 2012 22:13 |
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