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Re: Right and Wrong [message #1423 is a reply to message #1412] Sat, 10 November 2012 21:10 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
iWitness
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I absolutely loved you're replies! Thanks guys.

Dragon, you said what pretty much everyone says when I bring up these topics. You didn't offend me one bit. Although, I got a little anxious writing about these topics, because each one is very dear to my heart.

Little background about me.
I had my Baptism by Fire when I was 12 years old, so since a very early age I've been trying to remove myself from the ways of the world. I've prayed extensively about these things. Ashley's reply is something I can completely relate to. I've found myself becoming hyper-sensitive to the spirit over the years. I removed myself from school in the 7th grade to start homeschooling. I had already gone through everything(only watching R rated movies, listening to terrible satanic music, sex, drugs, swearing, open rebellion against the LDS church, etc.) my peers would have yet to experience in the next several years. I always loved reading about Alma the younger and Paul of the New Testament, they each had a 360 turn around, just as I had.

Once while in homeschool, I read the Book of Mormon 4 times in 2 weeks. I was thirsty for goodness. I got my Patriarchal Blessing when I was 13. There were so many questions I had about my existence, the church, the gospel.

There's so much study, prayer, and background to these topics, so I'll start in the order I wrote and probably make novels...I apologize beforehand.

Eating meat
Alrighty...I was a vegetarian from age 6-12 because I couldn't stand the thought of hurting animals let alone eating them. Vegetarianism led me to Buddhism when I was 11, and the Buddha's practices are still dear to my heart. From a very early age I've studied health because I literally had to to survive. I've studied foods and herbs extensively. I know what foods cause cancer, diseases, and illness. I know how to reverse those things as well. When I came back to the church when I was 12, I started eating meat again much to my chagrin. I suffered from health problems until I stopped eating meat again after my first baby was born. Health improved drastically. Then started eating "sparingly" for a year until my second baby was born. After she was born a few months ago, I started a more vigorous study of veganism.

During the last few months, there is just no possible way to show or tell you just exactly what I've learned. The Holy Ghost has showed me a higher law when it comes to health and the Word of Wisdom, which is, A WORD OF WISDOM. It's not a commandment, it's wisdom. Pray about it for yourself. I have a testimony of the Word of Wisdom when it is lived to the letter, and I can testify that the below scripture is true when living the Word of Wisdom:

D&C 89:18-21

18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, ashall receive bhealth in their navel and marrow to their bones;

19 And shall afind bwisdom and great ctreasures of dknowledge, even hidden treasures;

20 And shall arun and not be bweary, and shall walk and not faint.

21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the adestroying angel shall bpass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.


Word of Wisdom
D&C 89:12-13

12 Yea, aflesh also of bbeasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used csparingly;

13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be aused, only in times of winter, or of cold, or bfamine.

If the pioneers didn't eat animal flesh, they would have died of starvation. But we live in a day and age where we have grocery stores and can go get fresh fruits and vegetables year round. We have these awesome things called freezers and refrigerators! No one in the history of the world has had these privileges. People who abstained from meats completely would have got sick and died in times of winter, or cold, or famine. We can eat foods in their season(when they are ripe[see Hugh Nibley's Document on the Word of Wisdom]).

I turned on the Documentary "Earthlings"(for free to watch on google movies if you're so inclined) a few months ago and watched a few minutes of it. Within those few life changing minutes, I vowed never to eat meat again unless it was needed and I killed the animal myself. The laying down of animal life so we can live should be a sacred experience. Once I made that decision, the Spirit told me SO STRONGLY, that this was one of biggest evils and conspiring in mens hearts of the last days that the WOW talks about. That men murder animals to get power and gain. To make some big bucks. Think of the hundreds of thousands of animals, if not MILLIONS in the grocery store that have just gone to waste because they expire. Terrible lives, not filling the measure of their creation, experiencing NO JOY, being killed in brutal ways, all to be THROWN AWAY. That does not jive with what I expect Heavenly Father had in store for his beloved creations. That is not exercising righteous dominion.


Some background to D&C 49. Leman Copley was a Shaker who later embraced the teachings of the Restored Gospel. The Shakers forbid men to eat pork, and many didn't eat meat at all. They also taught that the celibate life was more highly to be desired than that of married life. The revelation to Joseph Smith of the following ensued(D&C 49:18-21):

18 And whoso forbiddeth to abstain from meats, that man should not eat the same, is not ordained of God;

19 For, behold, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and that which cometh of the earth, is ordained for the use of man for food and for raiment, and that he might have in abundance.

20 But it is not given that one man should possess that which is above another, wherefore the world lieth in sin.

21 And wo be unto man that sheddeth blood or that wasteth flesh and hath no need.

We literally have no need to kill animals, considering we are living in communities where other(fresh fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, grains) food is available via grocery stores, and considering we have enough money. If you don't have money to buy food, and must go out and hunt as there is no other option, congratulations! It's given to you from God, so enjoy it with THANKSGIVING. I've received much of my understanding from personal revelation, I invite you to do the same.

Please know that I do not judge you for anything you do, especially what we're talking about. I hated meat-eaters when I was a little girl. Now I have a broad and wide-reaching understanding concerning peoples dietary choices:)

Animals have spirits, just like us. They will be resurrected, just like us. They feel sadness, depression, anxiety, anger, just like us. We share the same planet earth.

Some movies to watch, if you want to understand a little more where I'm coming from

"Forks over Knives"-the health consequences(available to watch for free on hulu.com

"Earthlings"-the moral reasons not to eat meat.

Some people who I've found that live the Word of Wisdom, who are not of our faith:

Kristina Bucaram-Carillo(FullyRaw youtube)
Life Generator(youtube)
Megan Elizebeth(EasytobeRaw youtube)
Ka Sundance(youtube)

These guys are gems, I want to meet them someday.

Bible Dictionary MEAT:
Anything to eat; food; a meal (not necessarily flesh) (Gen. 1:2930; Lev. 22:11, 13; 2 Sam. 13:5; Isa. 62:8; Ezek. 47:12; Heb. 3:17; Acts 16:34). In KJV meat is sometimes used to connote an offering made of grain, i.e., "meat offering," but no flesh is involved, as in Ex. 29:41; 30:9; Lev. 2:115. Cf. Alma 8:2122.

Don't get me started on dairy and eggs....no seriously....DON'T GET ME STARTED!
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I'm not coming from a place saying that everybody everywhere should abstain from meats! Far from it. I've prayed about the scriptures. And I've studied health for about 3/4ths of my life, so I'm just here to say, perhaps as a God fearing people we should look closer to those things we do in our life. Look closer at the things we put into our bodies. Think about the mark in your garments. Our bodies and spirits are connected. Food has a lot of bearing on who and what we are as a people. When you truly know what animals at the mass produced meat farms and slaughter houses go through, you'll come to understand that you are putting that energy of a suffering, depressed, excruciatingly sad animal in your body. You take on that energy. That dead energy. If you don't think food matters when it comes to spirituality, i invite you to think and pray about it more. It's in the scriptures. It's in our early church. It's a higher law that should be studied more than it currently is in the church IF PEOPLE ARE READY TO LIVE IT. The WOW is not given as a constraint or commandment. Think about that.

Oh goodness...
I'll write about the other points some other time! Very Happy
Oh boy are you guys in for an earful!

Thanks for welcoming me in to your circle! Love you all so very much!

~The iWitnessing Eternal Ponderer

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