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Re: Identity of the Holy Ghost [message #1042 is a reply to message #1041]

Wed, 29 August 2012 20:14

zephyr
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I researched this further and found the section of the 16 June 1844 sermon that Elder McConkie was most likely referring to. It was not a direct quote, but a conclusion:

Abraham's Reasoning

I learned a testimony concerning Abraham, and he reasoned concerning the God of heaven. "In order to do that," said he, "suppose we have two facts: that supposes another fact may exist--two men on the earth, one wiser than the other, would logically show that another who is wiser than the wisest may exist. Intelligences exist one above another, so that there is no end to them."

If Abraham reasoned thus--If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and John discovered that God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose that He had a Father also. Where was there ever a son without a father? And where was there ever a father without first being a son? Whenever did a tree or anything spring into existence without a progenitor? And everything comes in this way. Paul says that which is earthly is in the likeness of that which is heavenly, Hence if Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He had a Father also? I despise the idea of being scared to death at such a doctrine, for the Bible is full of it.

I want you to pay particular attention to what I am saying. Jesus said that the Father wrought precisely in the same way as His Father had done before Him. As the Father had done before? He laid down His life, and took it up the same as His Father had done before. He did as He was sent, to lay down His life and take it up again; and then was committed unto Him the keys. I know it is good reasoning.
(Joseph Smith, Meeting in the Grove, east of the Temple, June 16, 1844)

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		Will there be other Saviors for other worlds? By: JulesGP on Sun, 26 August 2012 20:41
		Re: Identity of the Holy Ghost By: Dragon on Sun, 26 August 2012 21:04
		Re: Identity of the Holy Ghost By: JulesGP on Sun, 26 August 2012 21:14
		Re: Identity of the Holy Ghost By: zephyr on Sun, 26 August 2012 21:30
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		Re: Identity of the Holy Ghost By: zephyr on Mon, 27 August 2012 00:07
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		Re: Identity of the Holy Ghost By: zephyr on Tue, 28 August 2012 16:50
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		Re: Identity of the Holy Ghost By: zephyr on Wed, 29 August 2012 20:14
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