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Re: Repentance before vs. after Calling and Election [message #981 is a reply to message #972] Fri, 24 August 2012 15:39 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Denryu wrote on Thu, 23 August 2012 12:53
1) Those who have had their C&E made sure that have then committed GRIEVOUS sin.

Any sins, not just grievous sins as McConkie says. "Any sin or transgression of the new and everlasting covenant whatever" - D&C 132:26, but as I said before, it isn't Hell the way that we tend to be taught. "Liers are thrust down to hell"...when they get caught in the lie. That is the hell. It is a hell of our own making.

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2) Those who have not received their C&E, but have broken covenants - they still may partake of the first resurrection, but will be "purged" through Satan's torments. (An extended baptism of fire? see my thoughts on the LDSFF if you still hang out there).

I am fairly certain that only C&Ers will be resurrecting in the first resurrection. All others will be at the last resurrection or the final judgement so that they can have as much time and opportunity to qualify for the first resurrection and Celestial Glory.

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There are those who die LIVING a celestial law - members of the Church of the Firstborn, recipients of C&E who do NOT commit grievous sin. These are not subject to the buffetings of Satan at all but enter immediately into "the Lord's rest".
They are twinkled. But again, they still suffer or rejoice for their actions, like all of us do, the natural consequences of both the good and the bad.

Nephi cried,
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17 Nevertheless, notwithstanding the great agoodness of the Lord, in showing me his great and marvelous works, my heart exclaimeth: O bwretched man that I am! Yea, my heart csorroweth because of my flesh; my soul grieveth because of mine iniquities.

18 I am encompassed about, because of the temptations and the sins which do so easily abeset me.

19 And when I desire to rejoice, my heart groaneth because of my sins; nevertheless, I know in whom I have atrusted.


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Those who are living a TERRESTRIAL law includes those who received their C&E but then committed "grievous sin" (but NOT shed innocent blood or deny the Holy Ghost) and also church members who have NOT received their C&E but have lived a terrestrial law, and also those who had not the opportunity to receive the fullness of the gospel in mortality who accept it in the next life.

The criteria for the Kingdoms is this:
  • Telestial - Nothing, your already there.
  • Terrestrial - Gain a testimony of Christ but are not valiant in that testimony to obtaining the crown. Start the path, but do not finish it.
  • Celestial - Gain a testimony of Christ and remain valiant to that testimony unto obtaining the promise/C&E.

It is that simple. The scriptures just make is sound confusing. Elliaison has a great power point going through the scriptures showing this. I'll see if it can be made available.
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All of these, I believe, will suffer the torments of hell between their death and the first resurrection. I do not think the first resurection is a singular event. Possibly it might be occuring throughout the millenium.

Yes, until the final judgement after everyone who will be exalted has come forth in the first resurrection.
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I believe that if you are purged and then resurected at any time before the end of the millenium, this qualifies for "First resurrection". I have no basis for this other than my own insights and thoughts.

I am limited for time and so won't go looking for scriptures to back this up, but your are correct.

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Then of course the 2nd resurection is after the millenium for those that lived a telestial law. Not sure if SOPs will be briefly resurected at this time to be judged of God or not. I believe so, but am not sure.
hmmm, I would add that the Terrestrial are resurrected at that time too. The SOPs are unique but I can't remember how/why.

 
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