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Re: Revelation, prophecy and the Fulness of the Gospel [message #70 is a reply to message #62]

Sun, 27 June 2010 11:08

Amonhi
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Well, sure in a perfect world. But there are many people that get baptized without a testimony of Jesus that later receive the testimony. This often happens in little children baptized at 8 years who did it because of peer and parental pressure or various other reasons like a boyfriend trying to please a Mormon girl. - Philip

If a person is baptized and it is not sealed by the holy spirit of promise, (D&C 132:7), which must seal everything for it to be valid, then have they received the ordinance?

Technically speaking, Yes and No. Yes, they have received the physical ordinance and will not have to receive it again. No, the spiritual baptism has no effect and so they have not receive the spiritual ordinance.

When we gain a testimony, then the spiritual ordinance is done regardless of the physical ordinance. Some prior to physical baptism and some after physical baptism. They may even be "baptized with fire and with the Holy Ghost" and "know it not" like some of the Lamanites were... (3 Ne. 9:20)

The spiritual ordinance is what has sway in the eternal worlds, not the physical ordinance which is merely an outward sign of an inward conversion.

In this way, God accepts/rejects every ordinance, covenant, oath, obligation, etc. Although we can lie to ourselves and our leaders, we cannot lie to God who requires every step to be performed spiritually.

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		Revelation, prophecy and the Fulness of the Gospel By: Elliaison on Mon, 14 June 2010 12:20
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		Re: Revelation, prophecy and the Fulness of the Gospel By: Amonhi on Sun, 27 June 2010 11:08
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