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Re: All Those Who Believe [message #68 is a reply to message #39] Sun, 27 June 2010 10:02 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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There is an implication here that ministers of other religions are also prophets, or charlatans. If they truly teach what they know through the Spirit, they are prophets. - fairy/Dragon


Yes, that is correct. Because the Holy Ghost is what gives people the testimony of Christ before they are baptized as members of the church. The scriptures teach,
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And these signs shall follow them that believe--in my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover;
25 And whosoever shall believe in my name, doubting nothing, unto him will I confirm all my words, even unto the ends of the earth. - Morm. 9:24

The criteria for all these signs is not the priesthood nor church membership. The criteria is belief in the name of Christ.

As such, there are many who belong to non-LDS churches who experience true signs. They can cast out devils, heal the sick by the laying on of hands, speak in tongues and experience every other gift of the believers.

One example of this and how the Apostles were corrected by Christ regarding this doctrine is given as follows:
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And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
40 For he that is not against us is on our part. - Mark9:38-40

Even though the man didn't "follow" the same group the apostles were part of, he was casting out devils in Christ's name. Christ was fine with it and told his apostles NOT to forbid him because he was doing good. I say, "If God gave his sanction by casting out the devil, let all hold their tongue because a nation divided will fall. Satan cannot cast out Satan."

Joseph Smith said the following, Italics added:
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No matter who believeth, these signs, such as healing the sick, casting our devils, etc., should follow all that believe, whether male or female. He asked the (Relief) Society if they could not see by this sweeping promise, that wherein they are ordained, if it is the privilege of those set apart to administer in that authority, which is conferred on them; and if the sisters should have faith to heal the sick, let all hold their tongues, and let everything roll on...Respecting females administering for the healing of the sick he further remarked, there could be no evil in it, if God gave His sanction by healing; that there could be no more sin in any female laying hands on and praying for the sick, than in wetting the face with water; it is no sin for anybody to administer that has faith, or if the sick have faith to be healed by their administration. - Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Section Four 1839-42, p.224


I know and have heard of many miracles being done outside the LDS Church by true believers of Christ. It happens all the time.

But, all these miracles are done by the Holy Ghost. Joseph Smith pointed out,
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Gifts of the Spirit - We believe in the gift of the Holy Ghost being enjoyed now, as much as it was in the Apostles' days; we believe that it [the gift of the Holy Ghost] is necessary to make and to organize the Priesthood, that no man can be called to fill any office in the ministry without it; we also believe in prophecy, in tongues, in visions, and in revelations, in gifts, and in healings; and that these things cannot be enjoyed without the gift of the Holy Ghost." - Teachings of the prophet Joseph Smith, Section Five 1842-43, p.243


If a person cannot do these things without the "GIFT" of the Holy Ghost, and they are not members of the church, then how did they get the GIFT?
 
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