| Re: Sinning as Spirits in the Premortal World [message #503 is a reply to message #492] |
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Amonhi
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Dragon wrote on Fri, 15 June 2012 22:38The redemption of the atonement is to redeem us from the fall. Since we had not yet fallen in the preexistence, no redemption could be complete or final. Thus any forgiveness for mistakes made in the preexistence would be preparing us for the actual redemption in these mortal bodies. The purpose then, would be to teach us how it is done, the form and pattern of it so we could recognize it again in the future.
The preparatory redemption is said to have been in place and functioning at least by the time the world was founded. I believe it was around from much earlier. If we had not yet fallen, then there would be no need for a redemption or a preparatory redemption because we had no need for any type of redemption having not yet fallen. Without the fall, we remained in God's presence and required no redemption.
The thing is that we did fall in the pre-existence spiritually, just as we have fallen here physically. Right now we also utilize "a preparatory Redemption", just as we enjoyed on prior to this life.
The moment we are redeemed, we are brought back into God's presence and remain their by our own righteousness. The redemption is completed when we are brought back into God's presence to stay because we have stopped sinning. Prior to that point, we require a "Preparatory Redemption" which utilizes the gift of Grace which compensates for the lack after all we can do.
For example, you may not be perfect and yet you enjoy the presence of the Holy Ghost which cannot dwell in an unclean temple. But, when we sin, we are told to "repent because the spirit will not always strive with us". You might have noticed that the Holy Ghost doesn't leave after the first offence or the second, etc. It stays and continues to call you to change and return to righteousness. It is not staying because of your own merits. In fact you didn't receive it based on your own merits, until the perfect day. You received it because of Grace which allows you to have he blessings of the perfect without being perfect. This is the preparatory redemption.
You are permitted through Grace to be redeemed preparatory to the actual and final redemption. So, you can be in God's presence without being perfect on your own merits. You can have the Holy Ghost without meriting it on your own good works. This allows you to experience all the benefits of Redemption prior to being redeemed. This enables us to grow having the Holy Ghost, Christ and even God to guide and teach us. This preparatory redemption is what allowed Joseph Smith to be in God and Christ's presence in the Grove before he had even been baptized.
In the pre-mortal world we experienced the preparatory redemption which allowed us to grow and learn and even sin and transgress in God's presence prior to us completing our progression as spirits in the same way we now can return to God's presence prior to completing our physical progression.
So, there is THE Redemption and there is A Preparatory Redemption.
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Holding the Priesthood for example... Who is worthy to hold he priesthood? Only those who have become Perfect already. There are 4 that I know of who mentioned in scripture as having obtained perfection in mortality. There may be a few today. However, there are thousands who hold the priesthood by grace and have received the "Holy Calling" which was prepared with and according to the preparatory redemption for such.
Amonhi
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