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Amonhi
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I think that "What God is" is relevant to this discussion.
Quote:19 I give unto you these sayings that you may understand and know how to worship, and know what you worship, that you may come unto the Father in my name, and in due time receive of his fulness.” - D&C 93:2-3, 15-19
There are many Gods. Jesus was a god, Moses was a god (Ex. 7:1), those who are sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise are gods (D&C 76:58). But there is a God of Gods which is a what, not a who. There is an Elliaison Article (36 pages) that talks about this God that is a "What" and how we are in it and it is in us. We are waiting on one more person to sign off on it before we can release it to you guys to proof read.
All Gods are subject to the irrevocable decrees and they are irrevocable. I was going to say that the gods didn't make these irrevocable decrees, but then I took it back. They did, we all did, in a way...
Truth in the universe is both dependent and independent of us.
It is independent because we don't get to decide what truth is. We can accept it or reject it, learn it or ignore it, but it remains truth independent of what we think or believe or want. We can't change it to suit our desires, just as no god can change truth to meet their desires. Even Jesus Christ can't say, "today I decide that you CAN in fact be saved in your sins." Gods, (gods), don't create truth, they conform to it. Jesus is the way the truth and the life because he grew in truth until he received a fulness of it.
Quote:D&C 93
11 And I, John, bear record that I beheld his glory, as the glory of the Only Begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth, even the Spirit of truth, which came and dwelt in the flesh, and dwelt among us.
12 And I, John, saw that he received not of the fulness at the first, but received grace for grace;
13 And he received not of the fulness at first, but continued from grace to grace, until he received a fulness;
14 And thus he was called the Son of God, because he received not of the fulness at the first.
So something called truth exists independent of gods like Jesus.
Quote:D&C 93
30 All truth is independent in that sphere in which God has placed it, to act for itself, as all intelligence also; otherwise there is no existence.
But it is also dependent on us all. If we didn't exist, then truth wouldn't exist. If a tree fell in the forest and nobody was around to hear it, would it make a sound? The answer is, "yes" because of truth. If the tree didn't exist, then the truth of it's existence and all that it did would not exist either. The very fact that we are creates truth. The fact that we interact together as individual intelligences means that there are truths that govern our interactions. If I make myself a tyrant over others using fear, power, and manipulation then the relationship I have with others will be a certain way. I can't change the truths of how relationships work. But at the same time, the truths exist because we exist. Not that we decide what truth is, but that truth is:
Quote:D&C 93
24 And truth is knowledge of things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come;
This means that truth requires existence. If nothing exists then there are no things that are, were or will be so there is no truth. Our existence creates truth.
There is a God of Gods that would be considered the initial cause of all things. But that's tricky and confusing because it assumes that the initial cause existed alone at some point. But this isn't the case. We were all in the beginning. Intelligence can neither be created nor destroyed.
Quote:D&C 93
29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.
So, we are all part of the initiating cause that is called God, which is why I said above, "I was going to say that the gods didn't make these irrevocable decrees, but then I took it back. They did, we all did, in a way..." We were there, we've always been here. I think this will make more sense when the article I referenced is released. But just as Jesus learned and accepted truth for truth until he received a fulness, we are also on that same path, but further behind. We have not yet received a fulness of truth.
The concept of Justice is a truth that exists as a result of our existence. God didn't create it or make it up, our existence did. If gods do not honor justice, then they are not aligned with the God of Gods which is the spirit of truth. The God of Gods or the spirit of truth exists as a result of our existence. LOL, I'm not sure that makes any sense.
But here's something to consider. All of the scriptures I quoted in this post came from D&C 93. That section is trying to explain something that I'm trying to explain. I understand it by revelation, but have a difficult time explaining it without showing the vision. But, it's explained in D&C 93, and better in the Elliaison article which includes Philip's vision of the God of Gods and well as the scriptures that say everyone on earth who has eyes has already seen the God of Gods but couldn't comprehend Him.
Here's another key scripture from another section that helps to understand this.
Quote:D&C 88
13 The light which is in all things, which giveth life to all things, which is the law by which all things are governed, even the power of God who sitteth upon his throne, who is in the bosom of eternity, who is in the midst of all things.
The light is the light of truth, (D&C 88:6), also called the light of Christ, (D&C 88:7), which is in all things (D&C 88:13), governs all things, even the power of God, (D&C 88:13).
So, something inside us, (you and me and everything), governs all things, even the power of God. That thing gives us life and is called the light of truth.
Seek Truth,
Amonhi
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