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Re: Differences between sins and transgressions [message #3864 is a reply to message #3854] Thu, 18 June 2020 22:58 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Contemplator wrote on Sun, 14 June 2020 08:56
Amonhi’s response if very good, and right on point. There is an implication for the presentation in the book. In a quick search for “sin” and “transgression” I found:

Mosiah 3: 11 For behold, and also his blood atoneth for the sins of those who have fallen by the transgression of Adam, who have died not knowing the will of God concerning them, or who have ignorantly sinned.

This seems to counter the claim made in the book. Amonhi suggests that these two words are not always used precisely by authors/translators of the scripture. Thus, Amonhi’s discussion of the need to infer from context whether it is actually sin or transgression being discussed should probably be in the book.

I know it would be cumbersome, but in the book it might make sense to choose words that would not conflict with the scriptures. For example, use “accountable sin” for those actions where we have sufficient knowledge, etc. to be accountable. Use sin/transgression for the others. Then, you would be completely consistent with scripture.
In that verse, the "sins of those who have fallen by the transgression of Adam" are transgressions because they are sins caused by the fall of Adam, not sins that are caused by rebellion with knowledge. But, they are called sins. In an attempt to help us to understand the concept of transgression, he calls them "ignorant sins". Transgressions are ignorant sins or sins committed in ignorance. The verse actually supports the books definitions, but shows the difficulty experienced in attempting to explain the concepts to people who do not know the terms. Once you know the difference between sins and transgressions and when they apply, it's easy to see what he's saying, and that he agrees with the terms. Transgression is to ignorantly sin. The "sins" of those who have fallen by the transgression of Adam are not sins, because they died without knowing the will of God, so they ignorantly sinned which means transgressed. And, as stated in the book, all ignorant sins or transgressions are covered by the atonement without requirements of repentance as stated in that verse, (pointing out that there are no requirements given for the atonement to cover those ignorant sins.

I think that 95% of the time the scriptures follow those definitions very well. More importantly, they follow the principles and concepts 100%. Part of the problem is that when we repent, sins become transgressions. (New info added to page 95+, in red, currently being reviewed by the contributor's group.)

When I speak to others, I say sin and transgression appropriately.

Seek Truth,
Amonhi
 
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