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Re: They that are Without the Law [message #331 is a reply to message #330] Wed, 04 May 2011 18:18 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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For the most part I agree with you in concept, but not in terminology.

Sticking scissors into an outlet could be a bad idea. But if you know what you are doing, you might be using the scissors to accomplish some desired result.

NOTE: While making these comments, "The Law" is not referring to the laws of men which are given from birth to death without regard to situations or persons and with no end or fulfillment. This is in regard to God's laws which are given as needed and removed when fulfilled.

Natural consequences are the natural results of actions, good or bad. If we do not understand the natural consequences, we often require a temporary law or rule.

Laws have punishments associated with them as an enforcement. Rules do not.

Laws are designed to prevent people from experiencing negative natural consequences or to protect others. Such laws are not natural and are attached to unnatural punishments, (2 Nephi 9:25).

If we progress to become a self governing God, then all laws will be removed, but the natural consequences will continue apply. As Gods, we are just able to work with the natural consequences to accomplish the desired results.

Our eternal inheritance is not determined by how we live Unnatural/Lower laws, (unless you are in the Telestial Kingdom which is the only group judged by their works D&C 76:111 according to the law, Alma 42:23).

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For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator." - Gal. 3:18-19


The law was given because of transgression and will remain until "the seed should come to whom the promise was made". The law can be fulfilled so that it is no longer needed.

Does the law have any effect on the promise, C&E? No
The promise was made to Abraham and all of his seed, (not "Seeds" as if some get the promise and some do not). 430 years after the promise was made the Law of Moses was given including the 10 commandments. Can this law nullify the promise made to Abraham such that the promise has no effect? Certainly not!
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Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise." - Gal. 3:16-18

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Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

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Christ hath redeemed us from the bcurse of the law" - Gal. 3:13

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"Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." - Gal. 3:24-25


God does not follow thee laws which he gives to man just as a parent does not follow the laws given to children.

Child:
Don't hit
Don't touch the matches
Don't put things in electrical outlets


Parent:
I can spank you
I can use the matches
I can put things into the electrical outlets

Mankind in General
Don't kill the innocent
Don't Lie
Pray to No Gods but Me (Father)
Don't Judge Others
Don't take Vengeance

God:
Utterly Destroy (even the babies)
I will deceive the prophet (Ezekiel 14:9)
Praying to Christ is OK (3Ne. 19:22-23)
I am the judge of all men
Vengeance is Mine!

At some point we must know when to kill and when not to kill, or we cannot become Gods.

All laws are fulfilled and void by love.
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Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. - Romans 13:10


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For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? bGod forbid. - Romans 6:14-15 (See also 14-18


Paul had gotten out from under the law,
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For we know that the commandment is spiritual; but when I was under the law, I was yet carnal, sold under sin. - JST Romans 7:14


Why are most people still currently under the law?
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But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. - Gal. 5:18

The fruits of the spirit are LOVE... which fulfills the law.

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