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Binyamin wrote on Mon, 30 September 2013 16:27I feel the spirit as I read this reply. The body is a huge block to the spirit. It is an incredible journey learning how to get them to work in perfect tandem order.
Working in tandem is the goal! Well said. The body is not so much a block as it is more obvious/noticeable. If you hurt your body, it tells you immediately and screams at you! "Ouch!" If you hurt your spirit, it kind of sulks rather than screaming about it... Not so easy to recognize. Your body is like a loud speaker and your spirit is like a text message.
Quote:Lately I have been having some rather strange OBE activity. I dont know if I am to call them OBE's or not to be honest. It occurs while I am in my office at work, DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD, praying, crying, etc. In the past they have almost always come during nighttime hours. Now they seem to occur during the day. Now these seem to last for moments but I can feel the same stages prior and the same peace immediately after.
I would classify these in the Vision category. I recently posted a vision that I had while walking...HERE It could appear to be an out of body experience, and I was even truly unaware of my body for a brief moment. But I was not really in control of my actions, I was being shown things. OBE allow for much more freedom. You can have visions during OBEs too. I like the peace afterwards. A great way to start a day.
Quote:When I first read your reply to this question, I immediately learned several truths. 1: The body is new and my spirit is old. I am to trust the one that has spent the most time with Christ. 2: Evil spirits having access to our bodies is directly related to our own personal spiritual state. Do we fully rely upon God? Are we without fear and full of faith? 3: I can communicate with my body and I am meant to control it. The body is simply a vessel for the Spirit, which is me. Cast evil from my life is the key to all spiritual growth that I have gained with Christ.
1. Yes, your spirit has progressed as far as a spirit can progress... (How far has the Holy Ghost Progressed?) You can trust it. You body is still deciding if it will progress, lol...
2. Yeah, I guess that is a good way to say it...I might revise this and say it is largely a simple choice. As Elder Neal A. Maxwell once said,
Quote:What we are speaking about is so much more than merely deflecting temptations for which we somehow do not feel responsible. Remember, brothers and sisters, it is our own desires which determine the sizing and the attractiveness of various temptations. We set our thermostats as to temptations. - According to the Desire of Our Hearts
As part of that, we need to realize that sometimes we are blaming Satan when infact we are tempting ourselves and he is watching and laughing as we blame it on him. Taking responsibility for being tempted is a big part. Satan can only use what we give him. If we give him nothing, then he's got nothin. Change your thermostat a little and see how it works. You don't have to give up your favorite sins right off, but just try it next time you are tempted by something... Shut off the temptation like a switch with a simple decision. Sometimes if it is a Big temptation, I might say, "I don't really need to... It won't really benefit my life... You know, I don't want to... right now." or something similar... Let me knwo if you try any of these thoughts and how well they worked.
3. "I can communicate with my body and I am meant to control it."
Yes, you can communicate with your body. You can also communicate with your spirit. But YOU are an intelligence. You have a spirit which you have had for a LONG time. You have worked together so long that you have become ONE. Generally your intelligence and your spirit are aligned. You don't want to "control your body" or it will rebel. You want to work with your body. You are partners with it. Thank it for all it does for you. Thank it when it releases the temptation or does the right things for you.
Quote:Thank you for this insightful reply. As usual, for me it bought up more thoughts and questions. The spiritual being is always meant to choose. Too often in my past I have allowed my body to choose and have followed, all the while feeling frantic and feeling wrong. Is it wrong to view the body as not me? Or at least view the spirit as the eternal me? Something seems off about that to me when I consider the mortal body. Possibly the mortal body becomes subject to eternal law when the spiritual being fully controls all choice?
Wrong as in a moral dilemma of Good vs evil, "No". Wrong as in the right way of thinking of it... When you die, and you see your lifeless body laying there, will you say that YOU are laying there or will you say that your body is laying there? It's like a shirt. When I am wearing a shirt, I point to my chest with my shirt on and say "I". but the shirt isn't me, and neither is my chest. I might loose a hand and say, I lost my hand, but I didn't loose "ME". It hasn't yet become "ME" or One with "ME". I started a discussion recently about what is "
ME" HERE
Quote:My wife and I have discussed the 3rd eye extensively. I too feel that this is the case. Having not been fully aware of the differences in the spiritual feelings and the physical senses I am trying to fall to possibly one extreme?? I LOVE the opening of my 3rd eye and feel amazing spiritually and physically when I feel that I am relying soley upon the Spiritual. I definately need to find a different balance it sounds like. I dont want to feel that the body is evil or not going to treat me well. This would become a down fall. But currently I only trust the spiritual because it seems to help me fully control the physical. ..
Right, your body is NOT evil. We wanted one SO badly! It is a wonderful gift. Just don't get so used to using it that your spirit senses atrophy or visa versa. The reason we started with our spirits and got them first is because they are more difficult to sense. They are the subtle senses. The physical body is the "gross" or loud senses. If we started with the physical, we never would have heard the spiritual. Having had plenty of time to become familiar with the spiritual body we know it better then the physical and yet we still have a hard time hearing it.
Quote:Thank you for your reply and all of the things that your experiences have been able to testify to me.
Your welcome. Remember that I and others on this forum may speak with authority and experience, but we are interpreting our experiences through our own understanding and we may 1-Be wrong, 2-miscommunicate our own thoughts and use words that don't really capture what we are trying to say, 3-not communicate in words you understand which causes you to misunderstand even though we clearly and correctly expressed ourselves.
Anyway, be sure to run everything by the spirit to clarify, approve, etc. so that you are not relying on us but on the spirit and God.

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