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Re: Salvation and the Atonement [message #23 is a reply to message #21] Sun, 13 June 2010 08:20 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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A "Just" law & punishment, (on Earth and in Heaven), requires the blood of the murderer.

Alma 34:
11 Now there is not any man that can sacrifice his own blood which will atone for the sins of another. (Christ included) Now, if a man murdereth, behold will our law, which is just, take the life of his brother? I say unto you, Nay.
12 But the law requireth the life of him who hath murdered; therefore there can be nothing which is short of an infinite atonement which will suffice for the sins of the world.
13 Therefore, it is expedient that there should be a great and last sacrifice, and then shall there be, or it is expedient there should be, a stop to the shedding of blood; then shall the law of Moses be fulfilled; yea, it shall be all fulfilled, every jot and tittle, and none shall have passed away.

Will our law which is just allow another to suffer in jail for my crimes? No. The logic used here stands regardless of whether you use an other man, animal, virgin, son of God or even God to suffer on behalf of another. Justice is not fulfilled by someone else suffering the punishment of another. Even if that someone else is Jesus Christ. (Justice is fulfilled by a hidden loop hole but it requires that the atonement be completely fulfilled in us prior to the loop hole being exploited.)

Also notice that it says that the law of Moses will be fulfilled when there is a stop to the shedding of blood. The shedding of blood continues today, except among those for which the atonement has been fulfilled. This is why Christ said, "When ye have done it to the least of these, your brothern, ye have done it unto me".

As such, the law of Moses continues today but without animal sacrifices which have been replaced by the standing sacrifice of Jesus Christ. D&C 84 tells us that the law of Moses was given to those who "harden their hearts and cannot endure Gods presence". Read closely what the law of Moses is and you will see that it dominates our meetings today and is focused around the atonement principles.

D&C 84:
23 Now this Moses plainly taught to the children of Israel in the wilderness, and sought diligently to sanctify his people that they might behold the face of God;
24 But they hardened their hearts and could not endure his presence ; therefore, the Lord in his wrath, for his anger was kindled against them, swore that they should not enter into his rest while in the wilderness, which rest is the fulness of his glory.
25 Therefore, he took Moses out of their midst, and the Holy Priesthood also;
26 And the lesser priesthood continued, which priesthood holdeth the key of the ministering of angels and the preparatory gospel;
27 Which gospel is the gospel of repentance and of baptism, and the remission of sins, and the law of carnal commandments, which the Lord in his wrath caused to continue with the house of Aaron among the children of Israel until John, whom God raised up, being filled with the Holy Ghost from his mother's womb.

The reason we do not have the sever penalties that were given under the law of Moses is because there has been a separation between church and state. So today, the church doesn't have the governing power to stone, kill or punish people except by means accepted by the political government.

The reason the Law of Moses or preparatory gospel dominates our meetings is because the majority of the members today have hardened their hearts and will not enter into God's presence just like the children of Israel under Moses.

Although Christ finished his "preparations", (D&C 19:19), the atonement has not been completed or fulfilled in the lives of most members, even today.

There is more to add. I began writing about this topic in the Deep Doctrine Forum, but quickly realized that because of the extremely deep nature of the topic and as it only applies to those who have received their calling and election made sure, I will add it to the Church of the Firstborn forum in a thread called, "Assent to the death of Christ". The following is a quick sum up: There comes a point in our progression when we can no longer "assent to the death of Christ", (D&C 132:27). At this point, the atonement has finally been fulfilled.

Amonhi

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