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Re: How can one be a slave to the Holy Ghost? Is that a bad thing? [message #2198 is a reply to message #2189]

Sat, 09 February 2013 16:10

JulesGP
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Dragon wrote on Wed, 06 February 2013 07:51

When we encounter a decision where there is no apparent difference between the choices (Crest or Colgate) why pause at all?

It's funny that you use this toothpaste example again. Crest - although it contains a cocktail of poisonous ingredients, it will not cause any IMMEDIATE harm to my son. Colgate however, contains the ingredient that he is allergic to, and was treated in the emergency room for merely having it come in contact with his skin. I guess there IS a difference - even if it is not apparent TO YOU. Maybe things like which toothpaste or cereal to buy are important to others, and they desire for the Spirit to guide them. I don't share your condemnation of others who try to gain truth and knowledge in all things by the Spirit, even if I may not share the same concern for those particular things.

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If we are in tune enough to hear warnings, we would receive the 'spiritual text' telling us there is something wrong with the toothpaste.

I'm confused about the position you are taking. First, you said we should not rely upon the spirit for seemingly simple and small choices like the example you used regarding toothpaste. But here, you are suggesting a level of communication with the Spirit that is developed after a lot of prayer asking specific questions, recognizing answers, faith in those answers, trust in those answers, and practice. Once we are able to recognize the Spirit speaking to us as we ask in prayer, we learn to communicate with God via the Spirit more efficiently by our "desire to know", and we learn to receive those "spiritual texts" and gain revelation, truth, knowledge, understanding, and direction in ALL (including the "little") things. But that is STILL communication with the Spirit, and it is STILL relying upon the Spirit for direction.

We can still choose to ignore those "spiritual texts" or promptings. But heeding them - in my eyes, does not constitute being a "Slave to the Spirit". As Jeremy and Ashley pointed out above, slavery denotes force and control. We choose to follow the Spirit, or we choose not to.

Also, I disagree with your statement here:
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Yes, I see all those quotes. None of them say you should check every second with the Holy Ghost about what to have for breakfast or what brand of toothpaste you should buy.

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7 But ye are commanded in all things to ask of God, who giveth liberally; and that which the Spirit testifies unto you even so I would that ye should do in all holiness of heart, walking uprightly before me, considering the end of your salvation, doing all things with prayer and thanksgiving, that ye may not be seduced by evil spirits, or doctrines of devils, or the commandments of men; for some are of men, and others of devils.

That sounds like a command to me. And even as some of us are living within a different sphere - having received our C&E, we still rely upon God to TEACH us to become gods, and for that we need the constant companionship of the Spirit.

Also, what about when we are baptized and commanded to "receive the Holy Ghost"? The very basis of receiving the Fullness of the Gospel IS to learn to have the Spirit as a CONSTANT companion, and to rely upon it to give us revelation concerning ALL THINGS. Is that being a "slave to the Spirit", or feasting upon the words of Christ?

2 Nephi 32 has some pretty poignant things to say about this:

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1 And now, behold, my beloved brethren, I suppose that ye ponder somewhat in your hearts concerning that which ye should do after ye have entered in by the way. But, behold, why do ye ponder these things in your hearts?

2 Do ye not remember that I said unto you that after ye had received the Holy Ghost ye could speak with the tongue of angels? And now, how could ye speak with the tongue of angels save it were by the Holy Ghost?

3 Angels speak by the power of the Holy Ghost; wherefore, they speak the words of Christ. Wherefore, I said unto you, feast upon the words of Christ; for behold, the words of Christ will tell you all things what ye should do.

4 Wherefore, now after I have spoken these words, if ye cannot understand them it will be because ye ask not, neither do ye knock; wherefore, ye are not brought into the light, but must perish in the dark.

5 For behold, again I say unto you that if ye will enter in by the way, and receive the Holy Ghost, it will show unto you all things what ye should do.

6 Behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and there will be no more doctrine given until after he shall manifest himself unto you in the flesh. And when he shall manifest himself unto you in the flesh, the things which he shall say unto you shall ye observe to do.

You and I have both read the book Elliaison put out titled "The Unspeakable Gift of the Holy Ghost". The points illustrated in those scriptures are expressed in that book too. One of those being that the things the Spirit teaches us ARE the words of Christ.

In your comments on this book, your wife wrote this on behalf of both of you:

fairy wrote on Tue, 29 June 2010 19:56

We must be willing to hear WHATEVER the Spirit says...

- Fairy and Dragon

Am I misunderstanding what she/you meant by that?

~Jules

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		How can one be a slave to the Holy Ghost? Is that a bad thing? By: Dragon on Thu, 31 January 2013 09:46
		Re: How can one be a slave to the Holy Ghost? Is that a bad thing? By: Daryl on Fri, 01 February 2013 05:15
		Re: How can one be a slave to the Holy Ghost? Is that a bad thing? By: Ashleyd on Sun, 03 February 2013 01:32
		Re: How can one be a slave to the Holy Ghost? Is that a bad thing? By: JulesGP on Sun, 03 February 2013 02:38
		Re: How can one be a slave to the Holy Ghost? Is that a bad thing? By: JulesGP on Tue, 05 February 2013 13:00
		Re: How can one be a slave to the Holy Ghost? Is that a bad thing? By: Dragon on Wed, 06 February 2013 07:51
		Re: How can one be a slave to the Holy Ghost? Is that a bad thing? By: Ashleyd on Wed, 06 February 2013 14:05
		Re: How can one be a slave to the Holy Ghost? Is that a bad thing? By: Dragon on Wed, 06 February 2013 21:55
		Re: How can one be a slave to the Holy Ghost? Is that a bad thing? By: JulesGP on Sat, 09 February 2013 16:10
		Re: How can one be a slave to the Holy Ghost? Is that a bad thing? By: Kronos369 on Mon, 11 February 2013 17:47
		Re: How can one be a slave to the Holy Ghost? Is that a bad thing? By: Called to Serve on Mon, 11 February 2013 22:53
		Re: How can one be a slave to the Holy Ghost? Is that a bad thing? By: Seeker on Sun, 10 March 2013 22:24
		Re: How can one be a slave to the Holy Ghost? Is that a bad thing? By: JulesGP on Sun, 10 March 2013 23:44
		Re: How can one be a slave to the Holy Ghost? Is that a bad thing? By: SingleToHisGlory on Mon, 11 March 2013 22:14
		Re: How can one be a slave to the Holy Ghost? Is that a bad thing? By: Seeker on Tue, 12 March 2013 16:32
		Re: How can one be a slave to the Holy Ghost? Is that a bad thing? By: SingleToHisGlory on Tue, 12 March 2013 17:46
		Re: How can one be a slave to the Holy Ghost? Is that a bad thing? By: Seeker on Tue, 12 March 2013 23:19
		Re: How can one be a slave to the Holy Ghost? Is that a bad thing? By: SingleToHisGlory on Wed, 13 March 2013 10:59
		Re: How can one be a slave to the Holy Ghost? Is that a bad thing? By: Dragon on Sat, 23 March 2013 22:03
		Re: How can one be a slave to the Holy Ghost? Is that a bad thing? By: SingleToHisGlory on Mon, 25 March 2013 14:47
		Re: How can one be a slave to the Holy Ghost? Is that a bad thing? By: Called to Serve on Thu, 28 March 2013 11:48
		Re: How can one be a slave to the Holy Ghost? Is that a bad thing? By: Elejian on Sat, 10 August 2013 14:34
		Re: How can one be a slave to the Holy Ghost? Is that a bad thing? By: Elejian on Mon, 26 August 2013 21:50

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