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Re: Identity of the Holy Ghost [message #2077 is a reply to message #2076] Thu, 24 January 2013 11:19 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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FreddyV wrote on Thu, 24 January 2013 05:50
Very interesting thought. I've asked these questions before, but I don't think it hurts to ask again.

1. How does a personage of spirit dwell in each of God's children, and yet still retain his identity as a personage?


Is it possible we are thinking too much in terms of mortal world physics? The Holy Ghost is a personage of spirit with His own identity, but because He is spirit, He can dwell with (interact with?) our spirits. I don't think that means He dwells with us all the time, just that he can from time to time. The more in tune I become to the mind and will of the Father and the Son, the less I need the Holy Ghost to 'crash the gates' of my soul, so to speak. I see it as Joseph Smith initially needed the Urim and Thummim to translate, but later, he could translate by discerning the spirit directly without any aids.

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2. Does one have to be a personage of spirit in order for him to have his presence felt throughout the universe?
In other words, does Christ have the ability to have His presence felt throughout the universe even though He is a personage of tabernacle?
What about God the Father, does He have the ability to have His presence felt throughout the universe?


Christ's presence (Light of Christ) is more than just 'felt' throughout the universe. It IS the universe. Its what makes matter coherent and cells alive. I saw this in vision one time while giving a blessing.

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3. What is meant by the Holy Spirit as described in the Fifth Lecture on Faith?


I think the confusing part in this part of the Lectures is that they seem to omit the Holy Ghost as a distinct personage. Should we infer that means there is no such being? I'm not sure. The Fifth Lecture contains this:

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[ Lec 5:2q] and all those who keep his commandments shall grow up from grace to grace, and become heirs of the heavenly kingdom, and joint heirs with Jesus Christ;

[ Lec 5:2r] possessing the same mind, being transformed into the same image or likeness, even the express image of him who fills all in all;

[ Lec 5:2s] being filled with the fullness of his glory, and become one in him, even as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one.



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Quote from Denver Snuffer
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If the Holy Ghost is a "personage of Spirit" and it can "dwell in us," and the Holy Spirit is "the mind of the Father and Son" then are they the same thing?


I believe they are the same thing. The mind of the Father and the Son can certainly be revealed and Their will carried out by the Holy Ghost. I don't see why we should think of those two terms (H.G. and H.S.) as being different from each other.

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The scriptures have explained that the "Holy Ghost" which dwells in you - this personage of Spirit - has the following other descriptions, or attributes:
-the Comforter
-the record of heaven
-the truth of all things
-the peacable things of immortal glory
-that which quickeneth all things
-that which knoweth all things
-that which has all power according to wisdom, mercy, truth, justice and judgment.
(Moses 6: 61.)
This is a description of the personage of Spirit which dwells inside you. This is the Holy Ghost. This is something that can be in contact with the Holy Spirit, or the "mind of the Father and Son."


Names, titles, attributes -- they are often used interchangeably. I don't believe we should infer different beings are referred to just because different titles or attributes are described.

Ryan


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