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| C&E in Patriarchal Blessing? [message #1517] |
Wed, 05 December 2012 20:22  |
iWitness
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I'm kind of hesitant to write this, but here it goes...
I prayed to know if my C&E has been made sure, and after I prayed I thought about a quote from my Patriarchal Blessing:
"I seal you up to come forth on the morning of the first resurrection, clothed with glory, immortality, and eternal life"
My first thought was, "Don't most peoples blessings say that?"
So I was wondering if they do, or if it was my C&E.
I ordered Elliaison's book today...SO EXCITED TO READ IT!
-iWitness
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| Re: C&E in Patriarchal Blessing? [message #1527 is a reply to message #1517] |
Fri, 07 December 2012 13:14  |
Amonhi
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I wanted to add a about 3 pennies worth of thoughts...
First, the very fact that of ALL things that could have come to your mind, this part of your Patriarchal Blessing came to you. Why didn't you think about it before praying? or some other scripture?
Second, You don't really have a blessing until you know you have it. If someone gave me a new car and hung the keys on the porch and I never saw them and didn't know about it, then I didn't receive the car. So the gift was given, but not received and so remains unused and as if the gift was never given. So, If I asked you a month ago if you had your C&E, you would have said, "No" and you would have been right, not because God didn't give it, but because you didn't receive it.
Now, you have just been made aware that the gift was offered. Now you can choose to receive it or not.
Third, Just because a Patriarchal Blessing says a thing, doesn't make it so. Just because the prophet lays his hands on your head and pronounces it, doesn't make it so. It is the witness of the spirit that makes it so. If the spirit told you that it was true when you received it, then it is so. If the spirit told you it was true when you prayed and were reminded of your Patriarchal Blessing, then it is true. If you pray now and the spirit gives its witness that it is true, then it is true. This is called "the Holy Spirit of Promise". It seals to you all blessings.
All you need to do is get a testimony by personal witness from the spirit that you have received the blessing and you have it. That witness will come as a personal revelation and may focused on that specific part of your Patriarchal Blessing, a scripture or scriptures, a voice speaking personal scripture to you or some other way which you recognize as being the promise of exaltation.
BUT, ONLY YOU can know when you have received it. Others can know when it has been offered, but ONLY you can know when you recognize and accept the offering. If you have any doubts or questions, go to God, (Your Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother), until they are resolved and they will answer you in a way you will recognize and receive.
Welcome to the club, I look forward to hearing your additional thoughts to all our thoughts and comments and about the rest of this story.
Amonhi
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| Re: C&E in Patriarchal Blessing? [message #1530 is a reply to message #1527] |
Fri, 07 December 2012 13:35 |
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Amonhi wrote on Fri, 07 December 2012 13:14
Third, Just because a Patriarchal Blessing says a thing, doesn't make it so. Just because the prophet lays his hands on your head and pronounces it, doesn't make it so. It is the witness of the spirit that makes it so. If the spirit told you that it was true when you received it, then it is so. If the spirit told you it was true when you prayed and were reminded of your Patriarchal Blessing, then it is true. If you pray now and the spirit gives its witness that it is true, then it is true. This is called "the Holy Spirit of Promise". It seals to you all blessings.
I love this part of what you said Amonhi!! This is so true.
I hope what I said wasn't misleading, Amonhi sure said this much better than my short line that could have been taken wrong.  
~Jules
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| Re: C&E in Patriarchal Blessing? [message #1552 is a reply to message #1530] |
Sun, 09 December 2012 15:20 |
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Very interesting iWitness. I wholeheartedly concur with Amonhi's summation of your situation. This wondering and sometimes hesitancy to accept that we have received our CE is very common, as witnessed by so many stories on this site. In addition to what Amonhi stated, I want you to know that it is common for patriarchs, bishops, and priesthood holders in general, to give us blessings with pure intelligence through the Spirit which we may or may not recognize at the time. One of my favorite stories which my son and his wife shared with me long ago is when they attended a temple wedding, and the sealer told the newlyweds, in the name of the Lord, that they were sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise. Very few people in the room, including the bride and groom, seemed to grasp the weight of that inspired pronouncement. A marvelous promise was made but it was thought to be just what is said in the sealing ordinance-like a promise based on faithfulness. But it was not based on faithfulness, it was based on their current status before the Lord-very much like your patriarchal blessing appears to be.
Thanks for having the courage to share your story. Welcome to a whole new world of perception and thinking! We love you and want you to know that we empathize, because we have experienced many similar emotions and events.
Bishop
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| Re: C&E in Patriarchal Blessing? [message #1554 is a reply to message #1552] |
Sun, 09 December 2012 23:41 |
iWitness
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Wow, wow, wow. Thank you guys! My life has been changing so drastically the last few months, and this is all still so amazing to me. For the first time in years I've got that special witness from the spirit that I'm EXACTLY where I'm supposed to be. Like the BD on Faith says, that the 3rd principle is that we have an actual knowledge that the course we are pursuing in our life is in accordance with the will of God. I feel it, and there is NO feeling like it in the world. Thank you for all of your heartfelt replies. I am so grateful for each person here on Elliaison, and those yet to join!
-iWitness
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| Re: C&E in Patriarchal Blessing? [message #1571 is a reply to message #1517] |
Tue, 11 December 2012 07:23 |
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Dragon
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Truth Seeker,
At the time I was unaware of what C&E was, or how to obtain it. The memory of receiving it was hidden from my mind, though I knew something had happened, I could not recall exactly what. I did not approach my PB with the right attitude. I was looking for a solution to problems I was having at that time, rather than a guide for the future. I can see now what I was seeking was a Priesthood Blessing, but I had not yet met someone I trusted enough to provide it. Ah, the follies of youth.
As for the ability, or the promise, or other such phrases, how often do you hear people say in their prayers "that we may" or "that they might"? It is ingrained in our culture, and something I have striven to change within myself. I try to ask God to actually give the gift or blessing I seek, rather than that I MIGHT receive it. Patriarchs are still human. As such, they are not perfect interpreters of the visions they see while giving the blessings. For surely anyone who gives a blessing properly is merely interpreting the tongue of angels into a language we can understand.
- Dragon
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| Re: C&E in Patriarchal Blessing? [message #1582 is a reply to message #1571] |
Tue, 11 December 2012 21:47 |
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Thank you Dragon for sharing your thoughts. Glancing over my PB again it mentions sealing and promise regarding rising in the Morning of the First Resurrection and being able to be joined with the Savior. It would be neat if this was a promise of Calling and Election. However I agree with you that blessings pronounced upon us are given to us according to our faithfulness.
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| Re: C&E in Patriarchal Blessing? [message #1583 is a reply to message #1571] |
Wed, 12 December 2012 01:46 |
TruthSeeker
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Dragon wrote on Tue, 11 December 2012 07:23Truth Seeker,
At the time I was unaware of what C&E was, or how to obtain it. The memory of receiving it was hidden from my mind, though I knew something had happened, I could not recall exactly what. I did not approach my PB with the right attitude. I was looking for a solution to problems I was having at that time, rather than a guide for the future. I can see now what I was seeking was a Priesthood Blessing, but I had not yet met someone I trusted enough to provide it. Ah, the follies of youth.
As for the ability, or the promise, or other such phrases, how often do you hear people say in their prayers "that we may" or "that they might"? It is ingrained in our culture, and something I have striven to change within myself. I try to ask God to actually give the gift or blessing I seek, rather than that I MIGHT receive it. Patriarchs are still human. As such, they are not perfect interpreters of the visions they see while giving the blessings. For surely anyone who gives a blessing properly is merely interpreting the tongue of angels into a language we can understand.
Thanks Dragon for your feedback. I really appreciate it.
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| Re: C&E in Patriarchal Blessing? [message #1585 is a reply to message #1583] |
Wed, 12 December 2012 17:10 |
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It's all about the Spirit. If the Spirit says it is so, it is so. The Holy Ghost cannot lie.
I've heard a few people say that they don't neccesarily believe in patriarchal blessings down to the last promise because they never saw what was promised come to pass in a deceased persons life. Did that deceased person live up to every covenant, every promise, every privelege? It's funny how people view the "true and faithful" part of blessings. Some people disregard it completely. It's ALL about our faithfullness. If you're not doing what you've been asked, don't be so confused that things didn't happen like prophesied in your blessing. The Spirit will witness different things to you at different times in your life. That's why you hear people all the time saying that they "didn't see that" in their blessing before. Because the Spirit brings new truths to our minds that it didn't comprehend before.
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| Re: C&E in Patriarchal Blessing? [message #2048 is a reply to message #1517] |
Mon, 21 January 2013 09:04 |
zephyr
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iWitness wrote on Wed, 05 December 2012 22:22I'm kind of hesitant to write this, but here it goes...
I prayed to know if my C&E has been made sure, and after I prayed I thought about a quote from my Patriarchal Blessing:
"I seal you up to come forth on the morning of the first resurrection, clothed with glory, immortality, and eternal life"
My first thought was, "Don't most peoples blessings say that?"
So I was wondering if they do, or if it was my C&E.
I ordered Elliaison's book today...SO EXCITED TO READ IT!
-iWitness
After reading this thread it seems as though you have already resolved this one, however, I feel impressed to add something, perhaps it is for someone else who will yet read this.
Last May I received my C&E. It was a powerful experience, and I felt filled with a glowing power way beyond anything I have ever experienced. This lasted six days.
In my enthusiasm, which I couldn't contain, I posted my experience here. It was up for a little while, and then I began to feel that something wasn't right, so I asked Jules to remove it.
One morning in August, I was sitting at my computer (I work at home) and a revelation burst upon my mind. This revelation filled me with joy which brought tears to my eyes (if you knew me you would write this in your journal), I jumped out of my seat and ran down the stairs to tell my wife. I was literally jumping I was so filled with joy.
The revelation explained to me much of what has happened to me since joining the church. Mostly, it stated when my C&E was actually made sure, and that was in my Patriarchal Blessing, which I received when I was about 18.
Here is most of the last paragraph of my PB:
"These blessings I seal upon you through your faithfulness in keeping the covenants that you have made and will make with your Heavenly Father and I seal you up to come forth in the morning of the First Resurrection to immortality and eternal life that you may dwell in the Kingdom of your Heavenly Father with your loved ones eternally and this I do by the power of the Priesthood..."
The first church book I purchased was Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, so it didn't take me long to figure out what this was saying. However, I wouldn't allow myself to believe it. I even discussed it with priesthood leaders. My bishop told me I needed to accept it, but I couldn't.
Years later, I debated this with a stake patriarch in my ward.
Me: patriarchs do not have the authority to seal someone up to eternal life.
Patriarch: no, they don't, but the the Lord does and the patriarch speaks for the Lord.
I couldn't resist this logic, but I still didn't accept it.
A few years ago, my brother told me about Denver Snuffer's book The Second Comforter. This helped to open my mind. The next thing that happened was that Amonhi came to LDSFF. He posted several things, I was filled with the Spirit on one of them. I mean really filled. This was a powerful experience. I also did more reading, at elliaison.org, and I read the book The Fulness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. These things filled me with the Spirit again.
For the most part, I agree with Amonhi's post above, however, some of the blessings of C&E still seeped through, and as a result, I had decades of being alone in some ways (see the post about letdowns of C&E). My ability to learn from the scriptures exceeded everyone I met, including all the missionaries I met on my mission, and I could see when people were filled with the Spirit.
If I would have accepted it when I first understood it, I would have had many years of glorious experiences, and by now I perhaps I would have received the next blessing: Second Comforter.
In summary:
"What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same."
(Doctrine and Covenants 1:38)
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| Re: C&E in Patriarchal Blessing? [message #2225 is a reply to message #1517] |
Thu, 21 February 2013 18:14 |
John
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An interesting thing about that is that it very well can be your sealing up unto eternal life. Meaning that the avenues by which you will obtain is assured and you are good to go after you die. Only you can search it out and seek an answer. I would suggest starting first with receiving your 1st comforter experience if you have not yet done so. I hope this helps:
The power to seal someone unto eternal life was brought to us by Peter, James and John as they brought back the melchezidek priesthood . When moved upon by the spirit, Joseph would seal people/groups/congregations (not couples as a family unit thats what Elijah came to restore) up to eternal life and in many patriarchal blessings the high preist in the office of patriarch was permitted to give such blessings upon spiritual inclination to do so. The office of a high priest can do so, according to section 68 verses 4, 12 (context is important; He is speaking to high priests). In your case, your patriarch pronounced the words that verify being sealed unto life eternal assuming you come to and obey the first principles of the gospel. Receiving the 1st comforter experience will allow you to see the kingdom and by retaining that remission of sins and enduring to the end and say you do not see the Savior, you are still promised eternal glory at some point. His conditions are set and will be met. But seeking Him is ultimate..I am not saying the 2nd comforter is not essential, what I am saying is that for those who have been sealed up unto Eternal Life, they will not need the visitation per-say. The knowledge they will have will be comfort and only those who are sealed up unto eternal life will meet with this comfort at some point and be content, like the 9 nephites were content..it is not evil it is just a different calling or position in progression they find rest in. They will feel the approval of their maker we as a whole cannot judge them for they are His.
There are similar wordings of being blessed with eternal life based "upon our faithfulness". in our patriarchal blessings, but to those who are "sealed up" unto that, they are good to go. But it must have been done by the spirit under the direction of the Savior, because He is the only one to seal you His but either by His servant or Himself it is all the same. I cannot emphasize enough that it must be done with His approval and Spirit and not by the words a patriarch is use to using in his blessings. One can know if they are truly sealed up upon further seeking, knocking and asking. These are guidelines to help you on your journey. Hope I could be of some assistance.
These are some insights I feel I have been led to by many incidents, studies, manifestations, etc.
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| Re: C&E in Patriarchal Blessing? [message #2231 is a reply to message #1517] |
Fri, 22 February 2013 23:15 |
iWitness
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I received my C&E through my Patriarchal Blessing. Since receiving it, I've been able to fill in a thousand blanks in my life. Everything has opened up to me in new ways. Now I feel that I need further instruction. That is where I'm at right now. This organization on Elliaison is such a blessing. Everyone is drawn here for a great purpose. That purpose I feel is going to become more and more apparent in the near future.
-iWitness
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| Re: C&E in Patriarchal Blessing? [message #2876 is a reply to message #1517] |
Mon, 20 January 2014 03:00 |
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I read a close friends pb and it specifically said "your calling and election is sure" with no other qualifiers. I think a lot of people have the wording that says something to the effect that you are sealed up to come forth in the first resurrection, etc but with qualifiers that it is based on your faithfulness. I don't believe those are c&e made sure but more general blessings for all goods children that are faithful and endure to the end.
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| Re: C&E in Patriarchal Blessing? [message #3574 is a reply to message #1517] |
Sun, 28 May 2017 09:55 |
blackapache
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Mine says to:
"serve with all my heart might mind and strength in the many callings which will be placed upon you in church, for they are only training as it were for that greater call which will be placed upon you, a call which will enlighten your understanding to the things which are unknown to most people who are on the earth. But through his whisperings and the friendship which grows between you and he it will become a personal thing to walk and talk with him daily"
I truly do love my Saviour.
AS THY DAYS MAY DEMAND SO THY SUCCOR SHALL BE
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