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Re: Will there be other Saviors for other worlds? [message #1781 is a reply to message #1006] Sun, 30 December 2012 09:22 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
rdwhitaker is currently offline  rdwhitaker
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Even though this thread has been around for a while, I have only been a member of it a short time and am just now gradually getting around to reading some of the things you discussed a long time ago.

I have some rambling thoughts about this thread I would like to share. Generally speaking, we are bound by our mortality to consider the extent of our existence in terms of the sphere of our own physicality. So scientists study the physical universe using all the various instruments that measure different physical energies, light, gravity, etc. and they base their conclusions upon those measurements. Then they apply their physical measurements to form theories based upon physical predictions. Then their imaginations get wild, as they presume, and imagine physical explanations for physical phenomena that they cannot prove. But its all pretty much based upon their physical paradigm.

My thoughts on this are that there are other dimensions beyond our inspection, understanding or imagination that mortal scientists will never approach or measure. 1 Corinthians 2:9 "Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him." is a comment repeated in the scriptures. 3 Nephi 26:18 says "And many of them saw and heard unspeakable things, which are not lawful to be written." By unspeakable things, many assume they were just to special to repeat, but this could also be understood to mean they saw and heard things for which their is no physical explanation possible.

As an example, the scriptures state that the heavens will be rolled back as a scroll. Revelations 6:14 "And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places." Searching on this verse just now, I was amused to see the attempts to explain in our physical terms and understanding. People surmised of a black hole, galactic core burst, vortex, worm-hole, wrinkle in space-time continuum, etc. There is no physical explanation for this vis-a-vis our physical model of the universe.

Another example. I have read where people "died" for a few minutes, but their spirits enjoyed what seemed like years of experiences in the spirit world before they returned to their body. Concepts of time in the spirit world just don't correlate to our concepts of time. Our time measurement is based upon physical creation; we don't know how time works in the spiritual world, if at all.

I recall something I read in Hugh Nibley's book, Temple and Cosmos, that fascinated me and fits in with my ramblings here. Page 277-279 relates how Abraham was taken in the spirit by an angel and shown how matter is 're-tooled' to be used again. It is such a fantastic experience for Abraham that he is fearful, because it exceeds his imagination. He fears he is losing his mind. It becomes so intense that even the angel who is his guide becomes fearful as well.

Also at page 283, the apostles ask the Lord if they could view the transition and purification of matter from an old state to its new state in the process of "creation." The Lord tells them it would disturb their minds too much to view it. It is beyond their capacity to see without hurting them, making them go mad.
Page 285 talks about the eternal nature of world-making, and how there are worlds innumberable. There is a lot of good reading in that chapter!

What I'm getting at is that this book explains that only God had enough knowledge and power to create (organize) matter into a form of solidity and permanence that served His eternal purposes. He organized this universe and world the same as he organized countless others, out of chaos. But in so doing, He set limits and bounds upon matter so that it would be cohesive and understandable to mankind. However, God knows and understands the full extent of all the things that exist "outside" of our material universe; the things that are beyond our understanding. There is much more to know than we can imagine, and it is foolish for us to think we might understand those things before we are ready.

Ryan

Don't . . . Quit . . . Trying!!

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