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Re: God's Priesthood and Satan's Priesthood [message #1622 is a reply to message #1620] Mon, 17 December 2012 20:12 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
JulesGP
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Since I would venture to guess none of you have studied DMT or ayahuasca, could you tell me what you've learned about the differences between God's priesthood and Satan's priesthood. I would love to learn more about it.

Oops! You haven't learned all there is to know about Jules.... Wink

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For example, there is a drug called ayahuasca. The shamans in the south american rain forests use it in their spiritual rituals. People who document their experiences tell about how they felt and were able to see the energy that they shared with the world around them. They get emotional when recounting the beautiful unconditional love they felt, like nothing they had ever before experienced in their lifetimes. People who don't believe in God kneel in prayer. They are able to see good and bad spirits around them; the veil is lifted for them.


I would assert that the word "drug" is not necessarily the most appropriate description here.

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29 And the Gods said: Behold, we will give them every herb bearing seed that shall come upon the face of all the earth, and every tree which shall have fruit upon it; yea, the fruit of the tree yielding seed to them we will give it; it shall be for their meat.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemisia_%28genus%29 or "Wormwood" is used throughout the bible. (Deut. 29:18; Jer. 9:15; 23:15; Lam. 3:15, 19; Amos 5:7).

Cummin -an umbelliferous plant was used as a condiment and stimulant (Isa. 28:27). It was one of the small garden herbs tithed by the Pharisees (Matt. 23:23).

Etc.

And what if someone's spirit is sick? Is it such a stretch to think that the Lord might have provided an herbal catalyst to some parts of the world to foster that healing?
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43 And whosoever among you are sick, and have not faith to be healed, but believe, shall be nourished with all tenderness, with herbs and mild food, and that not by the hand of an enemy.


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17 Yea, and the herb, and the good things which come of the earth, whether for food or for raiment, or for houses, or for barns, or for orchards, or for gardens, or for vineyards;

18 Yea, all things which come of the earth, in the season thereof, are made for the benefit and the use of man, both to please the eye and to gladden the heart;

19 Yea, for food and for raiment, for taste and for smell, to strengthen the body and to enliven the soul.

20 And it pleaseth God that he hath given all these things unto man; for unto this end were they made to be used, with judgment, not to excess, neither by extortion.


Now I am not suggesting that we deliberately get people "high" to bring them to God, but there are also a world of cultural, legal, lower vs. higher law, etc... considerations and differences here. If this plant brings those people to God, is the plant or the use of it for that purpose - evil? If one of us went to stay with those people and experience their culture and with righteous intent tried this brew, would that be counted as sin? Is it any different than meeting with the Lakota and experiencing one of their religious inipi (sweat lodge) ceremonies and puffing the peace pipe at the end to send the prayers to God with the smoke? Is it wrong for them to use peyote drink in their healing ceremonies? (Peyote invokes hallucinations and visions that often allow participants in the ceremonies to experience thinness of the veil.)

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10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome herbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man--

11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with prudence and thanksgiving.


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16 All grain is good for the food of man; as also the fruit of the vine; that which yieldeth fruit, whether in the ground or above the ground--

17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain.

18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, shall receive health in their navel and marrow to their bones;

19 And shall find wisdom and great treasures of knowledge, even hidden treasures;

20 And shall run and not be weary, and shall walk and not faint.

21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the destroying angel shall pass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.


Other cultures (especially in earlier times), are not so wasteful as we Americans are, and more "primitive" cultures - that rely less upon "modern technology" rely upon the earth and the things God blessed us with on this earth. They respect the plants and regard them as sacred and lives that sacrifice themselves for our use - to bring us closer to God. Most Native American Indian cultures I'm familiar with give prayer and thanks for the LIVES they took that provide them with their food and medicines. Their entire cultures are centered around God.

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Doctrine and Covenants 88:19

19 For after it hath filled the measure of its creation, it shall be crowned with glory, even with the presence of God the Father;


These cultures use herbs, plants, etc., with prudence and thanksgiving, to bring them closer to God. Though it may be unconventional in our culture and understanding, who are we to determine that it is not right?

What about meditation? (Could be considered "new agey"). What if someone had a vision while on the operating table (filled with pharmaceuticals I might add....), does that invalidate it? What about "smudging" sage (Indian cultures regard sage as a sacred plant that wards off evil)? Is that culture using a tool of the "occult"?

My thoughts probably sound random - and likely are, as I'm very sick today. (I may regret this post tomorrow Confused ). For clarification, my bottom line belief on this is (along with those things I've posted), is that ALL things of the earth were given to us by God to be used for good. Is good coming from the use of this tonic by the South American Shamans? Are they becoming closer to God and bringing righteousness to their people? (I know that cultures such as those choose their Shamans based upon righteousness and they devote their entire lives to the healing and caring of their people - both physically and spiritually.)I believe, if it (whatever IT is....) is used with righteous intent, and brings about righteousness, it is righteous. On the flip side, take any of those components and replace the word "righteous" with "evil", and it negates the whole thing.

Again, I'm sorry for my sick rambling - I may edit this when I'm well again. (Maybe I need some herbs.....)


~Jules
 
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