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Dragon wrote on Mon, 19 November 2012 07:42KoZ:
I welcome your views on this subject. I enjoy learning through healthy discussion. Yes, I have met someone I believe to be the Elijah of whom you speak, if I am interpreting these scriptures correctly. I invite you to address each issue of disagreement, one at a time, with a few quotes to explain your disagreement. I will respond in kind, as I hope others will as well.
First off I want to say that when I posted this paper I was editing, I had not finished it but felt it got the doctrine across okay. I clicked poll as I thought having people vote on whether they think Elijah's mission is still yet future would be worthy of taking a poll. It labeled it a poll, yet there is no poll.
Next, I have tried to paste my post to find the encoding not working, like bold. So I was editing it when my lap top did a page back and I lost the post for a second time, except I had a copy in a word processor. So, after wasting time editing it one more time, I just capitalized the bolded comments and posted it. I do not think this forum software is working out for me.
Last of all, I really do not want to cause contention between me and others like Dragon, I had hoped to find friends here... however, when I doctrinally disagree on almost everything he said about Elijah and his mission, I am not getting off to a very good start!
Well, here is the twice lose post... my comments are in caps:
I admittedly did not make it through all the text either. However, I found the following points relevant to what you discussed in the first section.
1. The Fulness of the Gospel
The Fulness of the Gospel is discussed in other topics on this forum. To summarize what is eloquently stated there, the Fulness of the Gospel is: Repent, all ye ends of the Earth, and be Baptized that ye may receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands and endure to the end.
THAT IS NOT THE FULNESS OF THE GOSPEL, IT IS THE GOSPEL OF SALVATION AND YOU BARELY LISTED 3 OUT OF THE 5 BASIC TENETS.
4. WE BELIEVE THAT THESE ORDINANCES ARE: 1ST, FAITH IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST; 2ND, REPENTANCE; 3RD, BAPTISM BY IMMERSION FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS; 4TH, LAYING ON OF HANDS FOR THE GIFT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT; 5TH, THE LORD'S SUPPER. OAofF
2. The sealed portion of the Golden Plates
Again, this has been discussed in other topics. To summarize, the sealed 2/3rds of the Golden Plates contains a single prophecy/vision given to the Brother of Jared which shows/expounds the entire history of this world, from the creation until the burning of the earth and the judgment of all men.
ACTUALLY, THE WRITINGS OF MAHONRI ARE CONTAINED ON OTHER PLATES, AND ONLY "THE INTERPRETATION THEREOF" BY NEPHI IN THE NEPHITE LANGUAGE (ETHER 4:5), AND MORONI POSSESSING A COPY OF THAT RECORD, MOST LIKELY MADE A THIRD COPY BY WRITING THE WORDS OF THE VISION UPON "THESE PLATES" (ETHER 4:4, THE GOLD PLATES).
HOWEVER TO SAY THAT THE "the sealed 2/3rds of the Golden Plates 'ONLY' contains a single prophecy/vision given to the Brother of Jared" WOULD NOT BE CORRECT.
3. Elijah is a calling, as well as a person.
I AM SORRY TO CONTINUALLY BE CORRECTING YOU, BUT THE "KEYS OF ELIJAH" ARE KEYS! AND THE CALLING, OFFICE AND MISSION OF ELIJAH IS HIS PERSONAL MISSION TO FULFILL THAT CALLING AND OFFICE.
This is an important point for your text, as it means it may take multiple people, acting as, or in the office of (an) Elijah to fulfill the prophecies you have reference. NOT SO! So, Elijah the prophet of the Old Testament did come IN HIS FIRST COMING, and act in the CALLING, OFFICE (AND MISSION) of Elijah. Joseph Smith did come, and act in the office of Elijah NO, IN THE SPIRIT AND CALLING OF ELIAS AS HE SAID. TPJS There is a person who has come who WILL restore Israel unto the land of promise (Jerusalem) NO, HE WILL RESTORE THE KINGDOM OF YESRAEL TO THEIR (JABOB'S) LANDS OF INHERITANCE, AND THE KINGDOM OF JUDAH HAS AND WILL GATHER TO JERUSALEM. This person will take the throne of David unto himself AGAIN I HAVE TO DISAGREE, HE WILL BE GIVEN THE KINGDOM OF DAVID (OF OLD) AS THE MIGHT AND THRONE BELONG TO THE MESSIAH, being a descendant of David, thus been the stem of Jesse (Judah) and the stem of Joseph. ACTUALLY HE IS THE ROOT OF JESSE! NOT THE STEM! This is the second half of the fulfillment of the prophecy of John in the Book of Revelation that the stick of Judah and the Stick of Joseph shall become one in the hand of the Lord. IF YOU ARE SAYING THAT THE QUAD SCRIPTURES (STICKS) ARE THE FIRST HALF YOU ARE HALF RIGHT, BECAUSE THERE IS NO SECOND PART, AS PER THIS PROPHECY. MORE MAY YET BE ADDED (FROM THE 2/3 OF THE SEALED BofM TO THE STICK OF JOSEPH), BUT THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE UNIFICATION OF THE TWO KINGDOMS. WHEN THE WRITINGS OF THE LOST TRIBES AND THEIR RECORDS ARE BROUGHT FORTH, ADDITIONS THAT WILL AGAIN BE ADDED TO THE STICK OF JOSEPH. This person will act as a prophet, defending Israel from her enemies (Rev 11). NO, HE AS THE DISPENSATION KING AND THE DISPENSATION PRIEST'S COMING WILL BE A CURSING AND A SCOURGE TO JUDAH FOR A THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND THREESCORE DAYS. He will be King of Israel before the coming of the Lord. SO YOU THINK HE WILL BE A KING IN JERUSALEM? NO ABSOLUTELY NOT! He will purify the sons of Levi, and restore the Aaronic priesthood (ACTUALLY THEY WILL AGAIN BEGIN TO ADMINISTER IN THE LEVITICAL PRIESTHOOD IN RIGHTEOUSNESS) to their care, and theirs alone, when they offer an offering in righteousness THEY WILL DO THIS UNDER HIS SUPERVISION? NO, THEY WILL AFTER REPENTING AND SEEKING THE LORD/ADONAI AFTER CHASTISEMENT FROM THESE, HIS SERVANTS. There is evidence this offering will be a return of animal sacrifices in Jerusalem. YES, THAT IS LEVITICAL PRIESTHOOD! During his reign as King, he will be known as the Prince of Peace (as was Melchizedek) NO, NO, NO, he WILL NOT! MELCHIZEDEK WAS CALLED SUCH BECAUSE HE WAS ADONAI, THE HOLY ANOINTED/HA MASHIYACH, HE WILL AND NOW HAS BECOME A LITERAL SON OF THE LIVING G_D. HE IS THE KING OF HEAVEN AND THE AIR, PRINCE OF PEACE, LORD OF LORDS. and he will reduce the amount of war and bloodshed among the Gentile and Heathen nations. AND THIS WILL INCREASE NOT DECREASE, BUT HE WILL STAND AS AN ENSIGN UNTO THE NATIONS AND ESPECIALLY UNTO THE GENTILES.
These events will take place after many of the plagues spoken of in the Book of Revelation have taken place. When he enters Jerusalem, there will be wars and bloodshed continually, such that every man must either take up the sword in defense of his own life and his country, or flee unto Zion for safety. IN PRINCIPLE. This Elijah will bring Zion to Jerusalem and make it a heaven from these wars for many years, THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN! also building the temple in Jerusalem. NO HE WILL NOT DO THIS! He will have the power of Moses in commanding the plagues of Egypt and the famines of Elijah. YES, AND OTHER THINGS. These will be used to subdue the Gentile and Heathen nations under the reign of this King David. IT IS THE WICKED THAT WILL DESTROY THE WICKED. He will send out Missionaries who have the Seal of God in their Forehead (Rev 7) THE 144,000 WILL GO OUT TO GATHER THE ELECT FROM THE FOUR CORNER OF THE EARTH. to seek out any and all who are willing to flee to Zion and learn of the ways of the Lord. NOT TRUE, THOSE FEW GENTILES WHO COME OF THEIR OWN ACCORD AND ARE WILLING TO REPENT AND BE NUMBERED AMONG THE HOUSE OF YESRAEL, ARE WELCOME, BUT THEIR NUMBERS SHALL BE FEW! This Elijah/David will be the one to greet the Lord in the Temple when he returns in His glory. MANY WILL GREET THE LORD AND HIS FATHER AT ADAM-ONDI-AHMAN. IN HIS COMING, THOSE HERE WILL BE CAUGHT UP TO MET HIM, IN HIS COMING IN GLORY, SAVE A FEW THAT MAYBE ASKED TO TEARY. THEIR NUMBER SHASLL BE SO FEW, THAT A SMALL CHILD MY WRITE THEIR NAMES (EIGHT IS THE ETERNAL PATTERN!).
If you are not familiar with these verses, I can quote them for you, or state the source of these prophecies, though I do not have time now to do so.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR OFFER, BUT I THINK EVEN IF WE SAT AND READ THEM TOGETHER, WE WOULD NEVER SEE THE SAME THINGS, AS IS SELF EVIDENT.
Coming of Eliyah is yet future, the Restoration of Yesrael and the Kingdom or Gospel and the other 2/3's of the Book of Mormon will follow. If Eliyah does not come, then with the coming of the Messiah, the earth shall be cursed and utterly wasted!
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