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Re: By Their Fruits Ye Shall Know Them [message #103 is a reply to message #88] Fri, 02 July 2010 15:11 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Evil makes us angry. - Fairy/Dragon

Anger, hate and negative emotion all lead to the dark side and will always be used by the devil against us even if it is anger and hate toward evil, (as George Lucas so adequately portrayed in the Star Wars Saga).

We learn this in the temple endowment. God places enmity between the seed of the woman and Satan. Many people believe that this is a reference to Christ only. However, it is referring to all mankind who are given a natural dislike, hate or enmity for evil. Even those in prison hate evil.

Even Satanists hate evil. They call Satan good because he is fighting a terrorist like God and gives us knowledge and agency. They say that Satan has a bad rap because the evil God wants us all to be servants and worshipers to his selfish needs and Satan wants us to be free, gain knowledge and ultimately be like the God they worship. The interesting thing is that whether you call evil evil or good evil, people naturally hate evil. If you are a Christian, you hate Satan because he is evil. If you are a Satanist, you hate God because he is evil. If you are a Muslim, you hate other religions because they are evil. We naturally hate evil from our point of view because God placed in the Children and seed of Eve Enmity for evil.

Then Satan responds to God saying that "with that enmity I will take the treasure of the earth, and with gold and silver I will buy up armies and navies, false priests who oppress, and tyrants who destroy, and reign with blood and horror on the earth!"

How does Satan use our hate for him against us?

He lies about who and what are evil. By convincing us of the following 3 points:

  1. You have the only truth.
  2. Everyone else believes the evil and false teachings of the devil.
  3. You must hate evil and destroy it.

He doesn't just tell this to the Christians, but the Jews, the Children of Israel, the Muslims and every other group that he can convince. The result is that the separated groups see themselves as good and others as evil or at least mislead. When this lie is preached and believed on a large scale the result is Holy Wars in which the treasures of the earth are used to buy up armies, navies, false priests, etc. Satan reigns all sides with blood and horror. This is the cause of the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Witch hunts, Hitlers white supremacy acts against the Jews and attempt at world conquest, etc. etc. etc...

The Governments of the world have used it to pull their own people into every war including world wars, forced police states and acts of civil unrest.

The hate/Enmity for evil is the root of all evil. The ONLY way to truly overcome Satan and bring the Millennium is to stop hating evil and Satan. There is no need to hate evil and Satan unless you intend to fight against it. If you fight against it, you are playing the pawn in Satan's game and giving him power and increasing the hate in others toward you. Thereby making the problem worse.

If we remove the Enmity between us and Satan, then he has no motivation or power over the people of the world to buy up his armies and navies and false priests. When he looses power, the Millennium of peace for the world will begin. This will only happen when we follow the saviors council:
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Matt. 5:43-44
43 ΒΆ Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
(End of Chapter)

If we are for good, then Satan and all evil is our enemy. We must ultimately love our enemy, Satan that old serpent who was against us from the beginning. If we do not, we will never overcome him individually nor globally. Also notice that perfection is linked together with the above thoughts. Perfection cannot be achieved while we hate our enemy. Perfection can only be achieved by loving your enemies. (Elliaison has a book about how to become perfect which I will try to add to the library which details why perfection requires us to love our enemies as well as our friends.)
Christ also pointed out that what we do to the least of these, we have done unto him. By all standards, those that we see as being evil are the least in our eyes. Whether they are in a different church, country or other group. What we do to them is what we do to Christ.
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Either we love God AND hate Satan, or we hold to Satan and despise God. We cannot love Satan. It is an impossibility.

This is only an impossibility if we believe the lies of Satan who wants us to hate him. You quoted Matt. 6:24;
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Matt. 6:24 - No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Consider the following interpretation of it's meaning...
You cannot successfully serve 2 masters, (particularly opposing masters). If you try to serve 2 masters, you will end up loving one and hating the other. The options for serving are as follows:

Serve God/Good Love God/Good, Love your neighbor & Love your enemy, even Satan/Evil.
Serve 2 Masters, God and Satan (Option 1) Love God/Good & Hate Satan/Evil.
Serve 2 Masters, God and Satan (Option 1) Love Satan/Evil & Hate God/Good.
Serve Satan/Evil Hate God/Good & because Satan is a really lame master, Hate Satan too.

The point is that you can't serve both God and Satan without being divided within yourself. But you can serve God only and still love Satan by not serving Satan. We serve Satan as his pawns when we hate evil as expressed above. But we also Serve God by loving our friends and our enemies. There is no other way to fully devote ourselves to God and Fully Serve God.

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God Himself has wrath and anger. He is always in control of His emotions, but He has them, both positive and negative. Fairy/Dragon

I agree to a point. In primary and other places we are often told that God is "unhappy" if we disobey him. The only conclusion we can come to is that God is miserably unhappy because of all the people that disobey him. If God's happiness were dependant on the actions and agency of others, then God would have a very unhappy eternity in heaven. Some parents on earth have such issues and are only happy when their children are doing what they want them to do. So the parents become very unhappy. God's happiness is independent of our choices except when it comes to joying with us in our joys or sorrowing with us in our sorrows

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But God will never promote negative emotions in others.

If God experiences negative emotions, and then commands us to be like him, then has he inadvertently encouraged us to have negative emotions. We naturally strive to be like the God we worship. If we see God as being dominating to those he leads, we too will dominate those we lead. If we see God as hating evil, then we too will hate evil. If we see God as being angry when others do not obey God or our view of God, we will likewise be angry when we see others not obeying our understanding of God.
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God is love and love doesn't get angry the same way that we think when we say God was angry. Think of your own wife or children. Can you love them and be "angry" with them? Now we need to define the different types of "Anger". We are all very familiar with Satan's version or cheap knockoff of true Godly "Anger". Satan's version always comes because of a desire to control the agency of others and frustration from not being able to control others. It leads to force, unnatural penalties and removes self government.

God doesn't try to force, control or even manipulate the sacred agency of others. God tells us the natural consequences, (positive and negative), and lets us govern ourselves while reaping for ourselves the natural consequences of our actions. So, what does righteous "Anger" or Godly Anger mean?


Love and peace,
Amonhi

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